TOM COLE: HI IM TOM COLE FOR WGTE PUBLIC MEDIA.

AND THIS IS FOUR CORNERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

IT VERY MUCH APPEARS THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING AS A SOCIETY WITH THE COMMON TENENTS OF LEADERSHIP.

WE SEEM TO BE ON THE PRECIPUS OF MANY LEADERSHIP FAILINGS IN THE UNITED STATES ON A MYRIAD OF FRONTS: POLICING, POLITICS, DIVERSITY EDUCATION AND CIVILITY.

WE HAVE BROUGHT 4 INCREDIBLE LEADERS IN OURCOMMUNITY TOGETHER TODAY THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TRUE LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE THROUGHT THE CLEAR EYED SHARP FOCUS VIEWS OF TRISHA CULLOP, CHUCK EALEY, MIKE BELL, AND ED HEITZSCHEL.

I WELCOME YOU ALL TO 4 CORNERS.

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THANK YOU!

TOM COLE: CERTAINLY AN HONOR AND PRIVELEDGE FOR ME TO WELCOME IN NUMBER ONE A GREAT FRIEND, NUMBER 2 ONE OF THE GREAT ALL TIME HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL COACHES IN THE STATE OF OHIO, I THINK FIFTH ALL TIME WINNING RECORD OF TRUELY A LEGEND AT ST JOHNS JESUIT.

UMM COACH ED HEITZSCHEL.

COACH WELCOME IN TO 4 CORNERS.

ED: WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TOM.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ASKING ME TO BE HERE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

TOM: COACH, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP TODAY, AND YOU'VE LED IN SO MANY WAYS IN YOUR 40+ YEAR CAREER AT SJJ.

UHH OBVIOUSLY INCREDIBLE COACH, TEACHER, COUNSILER, AD SO YOU HAVE SEEN LEADERSHIP FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT FASCETS.

UMMM, I WOULD ASK YOU RIGHT OFF THE TOP COACH, IS THERE A FALACY ABOUT EADERSHIP THAT WOULD STRIKE YOU THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS A FALSEHOOD OR A FALACY?

ED: WELL I THINK THAT THE BIG ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER LEADERS ARE BORN OR DEVELOPED IS SOMETHING THAT IS INTERESTING, INTERESTING TO ME NOT SO MUCH FROM MY STANDPOINT BUT FROM COACHING KIDS AND WATCHING KIDS WHO WERE REALLY GOOD PLAYERS AND GREW INTO LEADERSHIP AND SOME THAT WERE RELUCTANT.

I THINK SOME OF IT IS PERSONALITY BUT I DO THINK THAT LEADERS CAN BE DEVELOPED UMMM NOT ALL BUT MOST GUYS CAN GROW INTO IT.

TOM: YEAH AND YOU CAN'T FAKE THAT, YOU KNOW I THINK SOMETIMES, I AM SURE YOUVE SEEN IT IN COACHING AND LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

SOME GUYS ARE GALS KIND OF FAKE IT.

THEY ARE FAKING THE CHARACTER AND I HAVE LWAYS FOUND KIDS TO BE PRETTY SHARP AT SEEING THROUGH THE FAKE THING, WOULD YOU ED: NO DOUBT, I MEAN KIDS KNOW BECAUSE THEY DO NUANCE.

THEY DO CARE FOR THE ANYLIZE, LOOKING OVER HERE, LOOKING OVER THERE AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS FAIR TREATMENT.

TOM: DIVERSE GROUPS.

LEADERS SEEM TO HAVE TROUBLE BRINGING DIVERSE GROUPS TOGETHER.

YOU HAVE DONE THAT YOUR WHOLE LIFE ON A BASKETBALL COURT.

WHAT IS THE STRUGGLE THERE.

WHAT OF BRINIGN DIVERSE GROUPS TOGETHER.

GETTING THEM TO FUNCTION AS ONE.

GETTING YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET TO ALL OF THEMM.

UMM TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

ED: WELL I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE A COMMON GOAL AND EVERYBODY HAS TO BUY IN TO IT AND YOU HAD GREAT SUCCESS.

GREAT PLAYERS.

AND WE HAD, WE HAD GREAT SUCCESS SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME CREDIBILITY WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO PEOPLE, TO KIDS.

IF YOU HAVE HAD SUCCESS, THEY KIND OF THINK YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TAALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO BUT UHH THEY TEND TO FOLLOW THAT.

YOU KNOW, MEETINGS WITH PARENTS UHH PRIOR TO THE SEASON AND I ALWAYS TELL THE PARENTS, WE ARE A COUNTER CULTURAL PROGRAM AND I AM GOIGTO TEACH THE KIDS TO SACRIFICE WHICH IS NOT YOU KNOW SOMETHING TEENS WANT TO DO.

VERY MUCH ABOUT THEMSELVES.

UMM AND I TOLD THEM THEY IGHT NOT BE IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION, IT MIGHT BE DELAYED.

WE HAD A GREAT PLAYER NAMED BJ ARAIGNMENT WHO WAS CERTAINLY CAPABLE OF PLAYING HIS FRESHMAN YEAR BUT WE HAD A GREAT TEAM AND YOU KNOW WE JUST COULDN'T BRING HIM UP ANDGET HIM ENOUGH PLAYING TIME.

HE UHH AND ZACH HILL WERE BOTH LIKE THAT UMMM.

SO BJ WAITED HIS TIME AND UHH OBVIOUSLY HAD A GREAT 3 YEAR VARSITY CAREER TO COLUMBUS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING BUT DELAYED GRATIFICATION ANDTHEN UHH WE ASKED HIM TO WORK HARD AND KIDS GENERALLY ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET THE MOST THEY CAN FOR THE LEAST AND SO TO DEMAND THAT WAS UHH WAS A CHALLENGE BUT I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS, SO YOU HAVE A COMMON GOAL YOU TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY GETS TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME UHH AND WE DID SOME LIKE GROUP, PRESEASON GROUP WORK WITH TEAM BUILDING AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING AND KIDS PARTICIPATED AND AGAIN WHEN THAT HAPPENS THEY HAVE UHH A VESTED INTEREST IN WHATS GOING ON ITS NOT JUST SOMETHINGBEING JAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT.

THEY HAVE INPUT UMM AND I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY EFFECTIVE.

TOM: COACH YOU HAVE NOT ONLY SUCCESSFULLY YOUR ENTIRE LIFE LED KIDS, I THINK THE ULTIMATE COMPLEMENT TO A LEADER AND COACH ARE THEY ARE BETTER PEOPLE FOR HAVING BEEN AROUND YOU OR IN YOUR PROGRAM AND KNOWING MOST OF THE KIDS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE LIFE AND COACHING, THATS THE HIGHEST COMPLIMENT YOU CAN GET AND YOU HAVE DONE THAT.

BUT YOU HAVE ALSO LEAD ADULTS AND ITS DIFFERNET AS YOU KNOW LEADING SDULTS THEN IT IS LEADING KIDS SO TAKE ME ON THE ADULT SIDE OF THIS YOU HAVE HAD ASSISTANT COACHES THROUGH THE YEARS AND OTHER COACHES AS AN AD YOU HAD TO LEAD AND GET THEM TO MAYBE GO ALONG WITH THE CULTURE MAYBE THINGS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO.

HOW DID YOU LEAD ADULTS?

BECAUSE IT IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY YOU LEAD YOUR KIDS.

ED: IF THEY ARE EDUCATORS AND ARE IN THE SCHOOL ITS A LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL IS ALL ABOUT, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WITH DEVELOPING YOUNG MEN.

WHEN YOU HAVE GUYS WHO ARE NOT IN THE SCHOOL IT WAS MUCH MORE OF A CHALLENGE AND WE WOULD HAVE INSERVICE KIND OF THINGS TO KIND OF TRY TO TEACH THE COACHES, THE OVERALL VIEW OF THE SCHOOL AND HOW THE SCHOOL OPERATES AND WHAT THE GOAL IS AND THE UHH METHODS TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS UMM JUST OUT OF LINE IN TERMS OF THERE APPROACH AND WE HAD SOME SITUATIONS WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM UMM BUT I THINK ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT UHH PARAMETER OF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE APPROACH IT.

IT GAVE ME AS AN AD A BASELINE FOR WICH TO OPERATE AND IF GUYS WERENT THERE WE COULD TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW HOW DO WE GET THIS UHH THE SAME ACCROSS THE BOARD.

I MEAN EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONAILITY AND FRANKLY THE SPORT THEY COACH, BUT UHH YOU WANT EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE AND IT WAS A CHALLENGE AND YOU KNOW DIDNT BAT 1000.

TOM: WELCOME IN COACH CULLOP, THE OUTSTANDING UHH BASKETBALL COACH.

THE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO WOMENS STAR AND COACH YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT EADER YOUR ENTIRE CAREER.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE FOLLOWED YOU.

YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT FRIEND.

YOU ARE A GREAT COACH.

YOU ARE INCREDIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE WANTED TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN 4 CORNERS.

UHH 4 PEOLPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AS LEADERS I THINK LEADERSHIP TODAY, PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH IT, WHETHER IT IS IN POLITICS, POLICING, MEDICINE, EDUCATION, FIGHING THE PANDEMIC YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP MATTERS.

IT IS MATTERED IN YOUR ENTIE LIFE COACH, SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP WITH YOU.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL DOING THAT.

FIRST OFF, GIVE ME A LESSON COACH YOU HAVE LEARNED AS A LEADER, POSSITIVE OR NEGATIVE THAT YOU LEARNED HOW TO BE A LEADER.

TRICIA: WELL I THINK NUMBER 1 PROBABLY THE BIGGEST LESSON I HAVE LEARNED IN BEING A HEAD COACH OVER THE YEARS IS YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE THAT SURROUND YOU SO I THINK MY JOB, THE HARDENT THING I DO IS HIRING PEOPLE.

HIRING PEOPLE THAT HAVE STRONG CHARACTER AND VALUES AND WORK ETHIC AND ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT I CAN TRUST WHEN I AM GONE RECRUITING THEY ARE GOING TO DO A WONDERFUL JOB IN THE OFFICE THAT I CAN COUNT ON THEM INDIFFICULT SITUATIONS BECAUSE LETS FACE IT, WE ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE.

BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND HAVE EACHOTHERS BACK AND REALLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR PLAYERS ARE SURROUNDED BY THE BEST QUALITY HUMAN BEINGS I CAN FIND BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO HAVE AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE BUT I ALSO WANT PEOPLE THAT ARENT YES PEOLE THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE ME BETTER THAT ARE GOING TO HELP ME IN AREAS I AM DEFFICIENT AND MAYBE I CAN HELP THEM AONG THE WAY TOO.

BUT I JUST THINK EARLY IN MY CAREER I MADE PROBABLY MADE SOME MISTAKES IN MAYBE HIRING A TALENTED PERSON THAT MAYBE HAD SOME DIFFICIENCIES IN CHARCTER AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE DONE THAT.

LATELY IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THEY ARE A GREAT HUMAN BEING AND I GET TO TEACH THEM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS BUT I THINK LEADERSHIP POSITION, THERE ARE SO MANY INSTANCES WHERE YOU NEEDHELP AND IF THAT HELP IS NOT OF THE QUALITY YOU NEED YOU WILL STRUGGLE.

UMM BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A DIFFICULT JOB.

TOM: COACH YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD DIVERSE TEAMS DIFFERENT KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS RELIGION, RACES, AND THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE AND OBVIOUSLY, I THINK AMERICA IS YOU KNOW STRUGGLING WITH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND THATS WHAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT.

I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT.

WE ARE FROM ALL AREAS, ALL RELIGIONS, ALL RACES.

HOW HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO BUILD, TAKE YOUR DIVERSE TEMAS AND MAKE THEM A UNIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE IT SO WELL.

WHATS THE LEADERSHIP ELEMENT OF THAT.

TRICIA: I THINK THE MAIN INGREDIENT THERE IS JUST THAT IT IS SO EASY TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES AND SPOT THE.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE LOOKS DIFFERENT, IF THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOR IF YOU CAN TELL BY THE WAY THEY DRESS WHAT RELIGION THEY ARE.

THOSE ARE THE EASY THINGS BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON IN US WE HAVE TO DIG IN TO FIND.

AND SO HAVING GREAT CONVERSATIONS TO FIND THE COMMON GROUND.

YOU KNOW, LETS FACE IT, IF YOU ARE ON MY TEAM, WE ALL LOVE BASKETBALL.

IF YOU ARE ONMY TEAM, YOU ARE A HARD WORKER, YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON.

YOU CARE ABOUT ACADEMICS AND YOU ARE A WINNER.

UHH BEFORE YOU EVEN GET HERE AND THATS WHO WE RECRUIT SO WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS, THENWE DIVE EVEN DEEPER AND WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE WHAT ARE THE THINGS IMPORTANT TO YOU SOMETIMES THEY ARE GOING TO SAY IS MY FAMILY.

WELL GUESS WHAT, THE KID THAT LOKKS DIFFERENT IS GOING TO SAY WE KEEP FINDING, OH GUESS WHAT I LIKE PIZZA, SO DO I.

SO FINDING ALL THOSE THINGS WE ARE SIMILAR IN IS SO IMPORTANT.

THATS WHY WE DO A LOT OF TEAM BUILDING.

WE JUST HAD OUR KIDS OUT AT A FARM YESTERDAY DECORATING PUMPKINS.

AND IT WAS FUN BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO LAUGH AND HAVE SOME FUN AND REALIZE WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WE DO DIFFERENT AND I THINK TOM YOU REALIZE TOO THAT BACK IN THE DAY I HAD AN ORTHODOX JEWISH GIRL BY THE NAME OF NOMY SHAPIR ON MY TEAM.

IT WAS VERY EASY TO KNOW SHE WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE COULDNOT PRACTICE ON THE SABATH.

SHE HAD TO, SHE COULDNT BE IN A MOTORIZED VEHICLE ON THE SABATH.

SHE COULDNT EAT ANYTHING BUT KOSHER FOOD.

BUT WHEN WE PEELED IT ALL BACK YOU KNOW, SHE LOVED BASKETBALL, SHE WAS A GREAT TEAMATE.

SHE WAS A GREAT LEADER.

SHE HAD ALL THOSE THINGS IN COMMON WITH MY TEAM.

AND SO WHENWE STRIPPED IT ALL DOWN TO THE BASICS WE ALL KNEW THAT WE HAD COMMON GROUND AND YOU HAVE TO START THERE.

TOM: THE OTHER YOUNG LADYS ON YOUR TEAM I FOUND WHICH YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY, THEY LEARN SO MUCH FROM HER ABOUT HER CULTURE.

AND ABOUT DIFFERENCES.

I SENSE SUCH A STRONG BOND WITH THE OTHER LADIES ON THE TEAM BECAUSE THEY LEARNED ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES.

TRICIA: YEAH WHEN WE WERE OUR FIRST ROADTRIP WHENSHE WAS A PLAYER WE WENT TO HELO HAWAII FOR A TOURNAMENT AND WE HAD TO PACK KOSHER MEALSWITH US TO GO ON THAT TRIP BECAUSE SHE COULDNT EAT AT A NORMAL RESTAURANT.

SO WHEN WE ASKED THE OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT HEY CAN YOU HEAT THIS MEAL UP FOR US, HE SAID YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUT SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO EAT OUTSIDE THE RESTAURAUNT IT IS AGINST OUR HEALTH CODE.

AND SO WHEN HER MEAL CAME OUT I SAID NAMA I AM SO SORRY YOU AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO EAT IN THE LOBBY.

AND THE WHOLE TEAM PICKED UP THEIR MEAL AND WE WERE ON OUR WAY OUT TO THE LOBBY AND THE KIDS STARTED CHANTING SOMETHING AND I COULDN'T MAKE OUT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING AND I SAID TO HER WHAT ARE THEY SAYING.

SHE SAID COACH I TAUGHT THEM THE HEBREW WORD FOR TEAM YESTERDAY.

THEY ARE CHANTING TEAM.

AND I GOT CHILLS BECAUSE I THOUGHT GOSH THEY REALLY DO GET IT.

OF COURSE THE SERVERS WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE WE WERE EATING ON THE FLOOR IN THE LOBBY AND WERE WONDERING ARE WE GOING TO BRING OUR FOOD BACK IN BUT TO ME IT MEANT THAT MY TEAMBOUGHT INTO, IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE WE SIT, WE ALL HAVE TO EAT, LETS EAT TOGETHER.

LETS NOT LET HER BE SEPERATE AND THATS THEM REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE COMMON GROUND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

TOM: CERTANLY MY HONOR AND PRIVELEGE TO WELCOME IN NUMBER 1 A VERY GOOD FRIEND, NUMBER 2 THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO ONE OF THE GREAT PROFESSIONAL QUARTERBACKS EVER IN THE CANADIAN LEAGES MR CHUCK EALEY AND UHH CHUCK AGAIN IT IS TRUELY AN HONOR TO CHT WITH YOU TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, CHUCK YOU ANYTHING YOU DO, I AM TRYING TO GET TO SOMETHING HERE.

ANYTHING YOU DO TO CARRY PEOPLE WITH YOU, I KNOW, I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW YOU HAVE DONE THINGS PEOPLE SAID COULDN'T BE DONE.

WE HAVE BROUGHT ALL KIND OF PEOPLE TOGETHER.

YOU DID IT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD YOU BROUGHT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE YOU KNO LEADERSHIP STYLE TOGETHER WITH A COMMON GOL AND COMMON BOND.

ON PEPER THAT SOUNDS OH YEAH, CHUCK EALEY DOES THAT, YOU KNOW YEAH CHUCK DOES THAT, THATS CHUCK.

WHAT I WANT TO GET TO IS WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOU AND I KNOW YOU ARE A HUMBLE GUY CHUCK I HAVE BEEN AROUND YOU A LONG TIME BUT WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP STYLE THAT MAKES THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE MANY MANY MANY PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THAT CHUCK: WELL I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE VS A WORD BUT THE REALITY IS ABOUT AN UNDEFEATED SPIRIT.

AND REALLY THAT IS THE SUMMATION OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE ATTITUDE THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO QUIT.

AND THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP.

AND THAT THE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AND REASON FOR LIVING AND BEING AS EVERYONE ELSE.

AND AS YOU BEGIN TO TAKE NOTOF VARIOUS CHALLENGES AS I MOVED INTO SPORT AND BUSINESS IT BECAME THE SAME DOGMA IN REGARDS TO HOW I TREATED PEOPLE WHO I REPORTED TO AND LATER ON PEOPLE WHO REPORTED TO ME.

THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE LEVELS AS FAR AS THE EMPATHY, THE RESPECT OF THINGS YOU TRY TO HANDLE AND GIVE TO PEOPLE.

I JUST SEE ALL OF THIS IN LIFE AS A WIN AND HOW WE BEGIN TO TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN WITHOUT HAVING RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE ARROUND IS FOR ME TO SEE AND THE DIFFICULT THING LIKE WE SAID IS GOING THROUGH THIS PANDEIC, GOING THROUGH THE RACIAL ISSUES.

THAT ARE SO MUCH PRONOUNCES.

WE CAN BE PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION IN HOW WE ARE AND HOW WE OBSERVE THAT TO BE.

TOM: CHUCK IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME, YOU MENTIONED SUPPORT A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE FORMATION OF YOU AS THE LEADER YOU ARE TODAY.

I THINK IT IS A REALLY KEY POINT FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO UNDERSTAND LEADERSHIP.

YOU MUST HAVE SUPPORT FROM WHETHER IT IS YOU KNOW, YOUR WIFE IS INCREDIBLE, YOUR MOM YOU KNOW I HAVE GOT THE SAME THING INMY LIFE, MY MOM WAS LIKE YOUR MOM, SAME YOU KNOW WORD FOR WORD KIND OF THINGAND MY WIFE THE SAME AS YOUR WIFE.

SUPPORT, YOU MUST HAVE SUPPORT.

IF A LEADER DOESNT HAVE SUPPORT OR HAVE THE TRUST OF AN INNER CIRCLE I THINKITS HARDER FOR HIM OR HER TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

CHUCK: YES AND THIS IS A VALID POINT.

THE ISSUE IS HOW DO WE SUPPORT EACHOTHER BOTH IN AND OUTSIDE OF OUR FAMILY IN THE DIRECTIONS YOU GO SO YOU GET A BASE WITH OUR PARENTS THAT ARE OUR FAMILY AND WE PASS THISON HOPEFULLY TO GENERATIONS OUT THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF YOUR FAMILY.

I THINK THE EMPATHY AND THINGS THAT GO ON I MEAN WHEN I WAS READING SOME OF THE THINGS YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP.

I SAID, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?

I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DEFINE WHAT A LEADER SOMEONE TOLD ME I WAS A LEADER?

I COULDN'T DEFINE IT.

BUT WHO I WANTED TO BE WAS THAT PERSONS BEST FRIEND IN ANY CASE WHETHER BLACK, WHITE, GREAN, WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

AND EVEN IN THE AVENUE WHEN IT WAS AGAINST ME BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN I COULD MOVE PAST THAT BECAUSE NOT LET THAT CONTROL ME TO REACT IN A WAY THAT BASICALLY WAS NOT ALWAYS CONDUCIVE OF WHERE i SHOULD BE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT AND I AM TRYING TO BE AS HUMBLE BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO THINK I HAD THIS ALL UNDER CONTROL BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE IT INDER CONTROL.

I UNDERSTOOD THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS THAT I WANTED TO DO AND NOT GIVE UP.

I WAS TLKING TO MY KIDS THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP, I SAID, WHEN I MADE THE DECISION TO GO AND NOT GO INTO THE NFL AT ANOTHER POSITION THAT WAS A BIG CHOICE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT WASNT THE CONTROLLING FACTOR.

I HAD MY DEGREE I COULD CHOOSE TO DO ANYTHING I WANTED TO DO AND NO ONE WAS GOING TO STOP ME.

AND THE CONCEPT OF WHERE I WANTED TO GO AND HOW I WANTED TO BE AND I COULD TAKE LESS TO GET MORE I TOOK LESS TO NOT GO TO THE NFL.

I GOT MORE COMING TO CANADA WITH FOOTBALL, BUSINESS, AND OTHER THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE.

SO I FELT VERY FORTUNATE, MORE SO THAN ANYTHING.

TOM: THAT TO ME IS A REALLY ASSALIENT STATEMENT IN THAT I HEAR WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP.

IT IS ABOUT BEING TRUE TO YOURSELF.

YOU WERENT GOING TO CHANGE POSITION.

YOU KNOW, THE NFL IS WHAT YOU WERE DOING BACK IN THE 60S AND 70S.

THATS WHAT THE NFL IS TODAY.

THATS WHAT THE NFL QUARTERBACK IS.

YOU ARE RUSSEL WILSON.

YOU WERE RUSSEL WILSON BEFORE RUSSEL WILSON.

IF YOU CAME OUT TODAY TO DO A LITTLE FOOTBAL ASIDE, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE COVER OF SPORTS ILLUSTRATED AND BEEN A TOP ROUND DRAFT CHOICE AND THEY WOULD HAVE CREATED AN OFFENSE AROUND YOU WITH THE MOVEMENT THE VISION.

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE 9 YARDS.

BUT IT WASNT SO AT THE TIME.

IT WAS BEING TALL STAND IN THE POCKET AND THROW THE FOOTBAL, I MEAN THATS WHAT IT WAS AND YOU STAYED TRUE TO YOURSELF AND i THINK SOMETIMES MAYBE LEADERS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CORE OF A PROBLEM OF NOT STAYING TRUE TO THEMSELVES AND THEN GET OFF TRACK.

YOU FORGET WHO THEY ARE CHUCK.

CHUCK.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I TALK TO YOUNG KIDS WHO HAVE THIS ASPIRATIONS TO PLAY PRO FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, WHATEVER AND THATS WONDERFUL BUT I SAID JUST FOCUS ON YOUR EDUCATION AND LET ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS BE BONUS BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PART YOU HAVE CONTROL OF YOUR DESTINY THAT GOES FAR BEYOND YOUR SPORT.

TOM: CHUCK ON LEADERSHIP, A MISTAKE YOU SEE THAT PEOPLE MAKE.

YOUVE SEEN LEADERS FROM EVEY ELEMENT.

YOU HAVE SEEN IT SUCCESSFULLY IN BUSINESS, YOU HAVE SEEN IT ATHLETICS.

YOUVE SEEN IT IN COMMUNITIES WHATS A MISTAKE LEADERS MAKE IN YOUR MIND YOUVE SEEN PLAYED OUT?

WHERE THEY TRY TO BE A LEADER, MAN OR WOMAN, LEADING AN ORGANIZATION THEY ARE TRYING TO LEAD BUT A MISTAKE THEY MAKE?

CHUCK: I THINK THRE IS A LACK OF EMPATHY AND CARING ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON.

I THINK BECAUSE WE GET SO WRAPPED UP IN WHO WE CAN BE THAT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU AND ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND WHEN IT BECOMES THAT FAVOR THEN YOU ITS LIKE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A BASKETBLL AND YOU HAVE A 3 POINT SHOT YOU WANT TO SHOOT.

SOMEONE IS CLOSE TO YOU AND YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT.

THATS NOT LEADERSHIP.

IF YOU SEE THE GUY DOWN THE BASELINE OPEN, YOU FIELD AND IT DOESNT MATTER ABOUT HOW YOU SCORE, ITS ABOUT HOW WE WIN.

AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WITH SOME TYPE OF LEADERS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LEAD IT ENDS UP BECOMING ABOUT THEM AND THATS WHAT SORT OF SEGMENTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO IS A LEADER WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE OBJECTIVE THE OBJECTIVE IS TO WORK AS A TEAM AND ALL THOSE THINGS END UP BEING TOGETHER AND SOME TIMES BECAUSE YOU ARE THE TOP SCORER OR YOU ARE THE TOP PLAYER ON THE TEAM, EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND YOU VS AROUND OTHERS AND ITS I USED TO LIKE BETTER TO DISH OFF THE BALL IN BASKETBALL THEN TO NECESSARILY TAKE THE SHOT AND SEE SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT AND BE OK BECAUSE WE WIN.

AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE.

TOM: MY HONOR TO WELCOME IN THE MAYOR, AND I ALWAYS SAY MAYOR, MR MIKE BELL REALLY ONE OF THE GREAT MAYORS IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF TOLEDO MIKE, WELCOME IN TO FOUR CORNERS.

I JUST GOT DONE CHATTING WITH CHUCK EALEY YOU WERE A GREAT FOOTBALL MAN IN YOUR DAY ALSO.

SO THERE IS A COMMONALITY THERE FOR SURE.

MIKE THE PURPOSE OF THE SHOW, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO i YOU KNOW BILL AND I TALKED ABOUT GETTING YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE A LEADER WHO WAS ABLE TO BRING DIFFERENT GROUPS IN TOLEDO TOGETHER.

TOLEDO IS A VERY, AS YOU KNOW, DIVERSE CITY.

DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.

DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES MANY DIFFERENCES IN TOLED.

YOU WERE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A LEADERSHIP TEAM TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR TOWN AND YOU DID A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH IT.

WHY IS THAT A STRUGGLE TODAY NOT JUST IN OUR TOWN BUT NATIONALLY MIKE WE HAVE A PANDEMIC, WE HAVE PROBLEM WE HAVE POLITICAL PROBLEMS, WE HAVE A CIVIL UNREST.

WHAT IS MISSING MIKE IN THE LEADERSHIP, BECAUSE YOU WERE A COALITION BUILDER.

TODAY WE HAVE DIVIDERS.

WHAT IS MISSING WHATS WRONG?

MIKE: I THINK THAT WHAT IS MISSING ONE, IS I THINK WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY FAITHWISE THAT WE WERE TRAINED TO BE BETTER THAN THIS AND WE WERE TRAINED FROM KIDS TO BE BETTER THAN THIS AND I THINK WE FORGOT PORTIONS OF THAT.

BUT THE OTHER PART IS REALLY THAT MY PARENTS WERE GOOD AT TEACHING US YOU KNOW WE CAN HAVE DIFFERNECE OF OPPINIONS BUT WHERE THE ANSWER TRUELY LIES IS IN THE MIDDLE AND IT IS NOT ABOUT RIGHT OR LEFT OR WHATEVER.

IT IS ABOUT BEING SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND UNDERSTANDING YOU ARENT ALWAYS GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT AND THE OTHER PRSON MAY NOT GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT.

BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU GET PART OF THAT AND THATS THE WAY MY PARENTS BROUGHT US UP WITH 4 BOYS.

YOU HAVE TO WORK THAT WAY.

IF YOU GOT PART OF WHAT YOU ASKED FOR THEN YOU HAVE ACTUALLY WON THE BATTLE SO I THINK NOW WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE WHOLE PIE TO BE ABLE TO WIN WHATEVER THEY ARE ASKING FOR AND IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT.

THE WAY IT HAS TO WORK IS YOU HAVE TO FIND SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND THAT WE CAN AGREE ON AND MOVE FROM THERE.

TOM: WHEN DID YOU KNOW YOU WERE A LEADER?

WHEN DID YOU HAVE THE SELF REALIZATION THAT YOU WERE A LEADER AND YOU COULD MAKE A DIFFERINCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, MIKE?

WHERE DID THAT OCCUR?

MIKE: WE PLAYED ON THE PLAYGROUNDS AT SPRING SCHOOL AT WOODWORD HIGH SCHOOL AND WENT ALL THE WWAY TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO.

AND SO THE WHOLE THE WAY WE WERE DEVELOPED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS TO BE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE.

IT WASN'T CALLED LEADERSHIP IT WAS JUST TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE.

AND WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY YOU COULD HELP THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND WHEN YOU FOUND A WAY TO DO THAT THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO SO IT IS ACTUALLY AT TGE CORE OF WHERE I COME FROM, WHERE BILL COMES FROM.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE OLD WOODWARD HIGH SCHOOL AREA.

WHERE WE HELPED EACH OTHER AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT HAD GREAT LEADERSHIP SKILLS BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE GOOD MENTORSHIP.

MEANING THAT SOMETIMES THERE WERE KIDS WE GREW UP WITH THAT WERE EXTREMELY SMART HAD LEADERSHIP ABILITY, BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TELLING THEM HOW TO FOCUS THAT ENERGY.

TOM: MIKE WHATS A FALICY OF LEADERSHIP?

YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT LEADER YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.

WHATS A FALICY OF LEADERSHIP?

SOMETHING THAT ISNT RIGHT?

ISNT TRUE?

THAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE BUT IT IS A FALICY?

MIKE: THAT EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE LEADER BECAUSE IT DOESNT.

UHHH... WHAT MADE ME LOOK GOOD AS A LEADER ARE THE PEOPLE I SURROUNDED MYSELF WITH.

WHO I GAVE EQUAL UHHH...

ATTENTION TO WITH ANY OF THE ISSUES THATWE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH BE IT IN THE FIRE SERVICE OR AS A MAYOR.

AND SO WHAT THE LEADER DOES IN THAT SITUATION IS YOU ENGAGE EVERYBODY SO THEY FEEL THEY ARE APART OF A TEAM.

YOU CANT MOVE SOMETHING IF NOBODY IS BEHIND.

YOU CANT LEAD IF NOBODY IS FOLLOWING YOU.

AND SO THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW YOU IS THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF THE TEAM.

AND SO AS A FIRE CHIEF I LISTENED TO MY CHIEFS, LUTENENTS, AND CAPTAINS.

FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND WHAT I THINK SUPRISED SOME, THE LEADER MAYBE MAKES THE CHOICE, OF WHAT DIRECTION YOU ARE GOING IN BUT IT DOESNT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE LEADER'S IDEA.

AND SO MY POINT IS THAT LEADING REQUIRES YOU HAVE TO BE LISTENING TO PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND YOU HAVE TO SURROUND YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO MAY BE SMARTER THAN YOU AND BE ABLE TO BE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO SAY OK THIS IS THIS PERSON'S IDEA.

THEN WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AND MAKE IT ALWAYS YOURS IDEA AND SO I THINK PART OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING GOOD AS A LEADER, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU WHO ARE HELPING YOU OUT AND BEING ABLE TO PUSH THE IDEAS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR SUCESS.

TOM: THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US ON FOUR CORNERS.

I BELIEVE LEADERSHIP TRAITS THAT OUR RESPECTIVE GUESTS ALL STAND IN AGGREEMENT ON ARE AS FOLLOWS: IF YOU WANT TO LEAD IN ANY ENDEAVOUR, YOU MUST LISTEN, BE CONSISTENT, ESTABLISH TRUST, AND SHOW THAT YOU CARE FOR THE PEOPLE YOU LEAD.

I'M TOM COLE FOR FOUR CORNERS AND MAY ALL YOUR CORNERS CONNECT.

ANNOUNCER: THIS PRESENTATION WAS MAD POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE TYLOR AUTOMOTIVE FAMILY THE MANGO TREE RESTAURANT, AND BY VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU!

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