- Hi, thanks for joining us for the Family Plot: Gardening in the Mid-South.

I'm Chris Cooper.

There are several ways to propagate Tradescantia.

Today, we're going to look at some popular ways to do it.

Also, blackberries are a delicious addition to any garden.

Today we're going to look at some new blackberry cultivars.

That's just ahead on The Family Plot: Gardening in the Mid-South.

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[upbeat country music] - Welcome to The Family Plot.

I'm Chris Cooper.

Joining me today is Jill Maybry.

Jill is the curator of tropical plants here at the Memphis Botanic Garden.

Hey, Jill.

- Hi Chris.

- How's it going?

[laughs] - Good, how are you?

- All right.

So Tradescantia, huh?

They look nice!

- Yeah.

Aren't they pretty?

- They are pretty.

So we're gonna talk about propagating them, right?

- We are.

So, Tradescantias are a fun plant family.

They're very, very varied, come in different colors.

A lot of them are trailing.

A lot of them are creeping.

- Creeping.

[laughs] - They make pretty pots when they're full like this.

This one is Pale Puma Tradescantia.

This is a hybrid between a couple others.

It's got little fuzzy.

- I like those.

- Little fuzzy white hairs on the edge.

This varies a little bit, depending on how much light you have it in.

The more sun, the more purple it gets.

And the more shade, the more it'll turn into just sort of a green color.

It's really pretty either way.

- Yeah, that's an interesting characteristic.

- Yeah.

I like it as a houseplant.

I also use it in containers outdoors, where it can hang down out over the outside of a container.

- So when it's outdoors - Mm-hm.

- What about light conditions?

I mean can it- - When it's outdoors, same thing.

The more light it's in, the more purple it is.

The more shade it's in-- - So the same applies.

Yeah.

- Mm-hm.

Mm-hm.

It can take a lot of sun.

I've had it in full sun outside.

- That's a plus.

- It does just great.

- Yeah.

- And then this one that we're also gonna talk about [laughs] this is another Tradescantia, a little smaller leaf.

This one is called the turtle vine [laughs] or the creeping turtle vine.

This one is native to Bolivia.

- Right.

- And the original turtle vine is green.

Just a nice shade of green.

This is the golden form.

So it's bright gold.

This had to be on my wishlist for a year or so.

- Okay.

- Until I found a place that had it in stock.

- Alright.

- And I was able to get it.

And I've been really pleased with how fast it grows.

That's one thing I like about all the Tradescantias.

They tend to grow pretty quickly and they're so easy to propagate.

So you ready to see how to propagate- - Let's see how easy they are.

- A couple of these guys.

- Let's see how easy.

- Let's see.

- All right.

- Let's see.

- All right.

[laughs] - So we have this nice plant here.

I'm gonna show you stem propagation first.

- Okay.

Stem first.

- So this is just as easy as I'm gonna use my shears.

[shears squeaking] - Okay.

- Just cut a stem.

- All right.

- Why not?

Let's cut another stem.

[shears squeaking] Let's cut another stem over here.

- Okay.

- They have nodes, like most plants have nodes.

That's where the leaves attach.

- Mm-hm.

- And generally with cuttings, you want one or two nodes to be below the surface of the soil.

And then some of the leaves up above 'cause the nodes are where the roots are gonna come from.

- Got it.

It's good.

- So just stick that guy in.

- So we would just stick it in, huh?

- Just stick it in and make a little hole for it if you need to.

Gonna do the same thing for these little guys.

- Mm-hm.

- Just pulling off those lower leaves.

[plant rusting] Also stick it in.

- Alright.

- Stick this one in.

And then if you like, you've got it ready to go plant.

- It's ready to go.

[laughs] - Right there.

- How about that.

- You could give this to somebody.

And even though it doesn't have roots yet, these are so easy.

Within a couple weeks they'll have roots.

You would just start watering it like a normal plant.

Go ahead water it well, let the water run through.

Tell the person you're gifting it to water it about once a week.

- Once a week.

Okay.

- If you want it to start out a little more full, let's just take another couple.

[shears squeaking] - Oh.

So you can really fill it up if you wanted to.

- Stems.

Yeah.

Yeah.

- All right, okay.

- Like I said, these are so, so easy.

I like to use 'em sometimes when I'm making a combination planter.

- Mm-hm.

- Maybe of different houseplants.

And then I'll take a few stems of these to put in around the edges.

- Okay.

- Just kind of finish it off.

Give it a different texture.

[leaves rustling] - So let me ask you no rooting hormone needed for the- - No, these are so easy.

You really don't need rooting hormone.

- Gotcha.

- So that's already a nice looking- - Look at that.

- Nice looking full plant.

- Okay.

I think I can handle that.

- Think you can do that?

- I can do that.

- Okay.

Okay.

[laughs] I'll show you with the little turtle vine here.

- Okay.

- This pretty pretty turtle vine.

This one can take, I wouldn't put it in full sun.

- Okay.

- It's probably gonna burn a little bit in full sun.

The more shade it has, the more glorious yellow it's gonna get.

It turns into a really pretty yellow gold plant in shade.

- Okay.

- And this one is so easy.

So you could also, I'll show you the hard way that people try to do it.

- Okay.

- And you don't have to do it this way.

Like that.

You could take a tiny little one.

[plant snapping] - Oh, that's a small piece.

- And then a tiny little one.

- Oh boy.

[shears thudding] - And then, right.

Isn't that tiny?

- No, it's a small piece.

- Time consuming, pull off the little leaves.

Stick it in there.

- Oh.

Mm, okay.

- You could do it that way.

- Okay.

- I don't.

What I like to do.

[laughs] [leaves rustling] Take a big, big chunk of your plant here.

- Oh, we're just gonna grab it, huh?

- Yeah, we're just gonna grab it.

- Oh boy.

- We're gonna cut right through it.

[shears squeaking] You could pull off the lower leaves.

You really don't have to.

- Huh?

- Just kind get in there with your fingers.

- Just put them in there.

- Yeah.

Just plant it in there.

Tuck the soil around.

[pot rattling] Then you've got a finished plant.

- It's finished.

[laughs] - And it will root.

- And it will root.

[laughs] Okay.

- I promise.

It really will root.

You wanna water it in well.

It will root.

- Okay.

- And it'll grow.

It'll grow quickly.

It'll grow full.

It'll grow over the top.

- Okay.

- Real, real pretty little plant.

Super, super easy to propagate.

- Okay.

I think I like that easy technique.

Yeah, just grab it and cut.

- Yes, very easy.

- Okay.

- Very easy.

- I can do that.

- And then I do have another method to show you.

- Alright.

Let's see it.

- Of how you can propagate these.

- All right, let's see it.

- Like this, again, so easy.

- That was easy.

I agree with you on that, Jill.

- But if for some reason, I don't know, you wanna do something a little different, you can also divide 'em.

- All right.

- Even with a great big plant like this, - It's a pretty good size plant.

[plant scratching] Just slide it out there.

- Yeah.

- Okay.

- Just slide it out.

Now I'm gonna move to my... Do you have a soil knife?

- I do.

I sure do.

- I love this tool.

- I love my soil knife.

- So I'm just gonna saw down in between it.

- Oh, wow, look folks.

Okay.

Well, just go right at it.

- Do you hear the little screams at home?

- Yeah.

I can hear it.

- Of people, not from the plants.

They don't care.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- But the gardeners who are concerned.

- Yeah, the gardeners do.

[laughs] [soil knife thudding] - All right.

We have two halves.

[plant rustling] So you could take this half.

So it's got roots and all attached.

- Yeah, I see the roots.

- Pop it right back in the same to container.

[pot scratching] Fill it in with your potting soil.

Kind of pat it down, water it.

- Damn.

- And that's basically the same size as that one does.

- Yeah, yes it is.

[pot scratching] - So then you could pop this one in another hanging basket.

- Okay.

- And you've got two.

- Got two.

[plant rustling] - Or even more.

- Oh, wow.

- Go ahead and chop this one up.

- She just goes right at it.

- Yeah.

- All right.

Okay.

[soil knife thudding] - Go ahead, chop this one up.

That'll give you a nice chunk to also start another hanging basket.

Or when you're doing a mixed container, tuck that in with some other stuff and it's gonna be perfectly started to hang down over the side.

- Yeah.

- Just be a pretty, pretty, pretty plant for you.

- Okay.

Since I'm looking at the soil.

- Uh-huh.

- Is there a special kind of soil you need?

- This is a potting soil.

- Okay.

So its potting soil.

- We at the garden try to use a kind of high quality potting soil.

- Okay.

- Which is one that's a nice mix of... Some of the really cheap potting soils that you get are mainly just bark.

- Yeah.

- Just chopped up bark.

- Yeah.

- So this is one that also has a blend of sphagnum peat moss.

- Okay.

- And perlite, a little bit of perlite.

Little bit of vermiculite.

The peat moss is to hold moisture.

- Okay.

- The perlite and vermiculite are to help moisture flow through.

So a little bit of all that stuff makes for a really good potting soil.

- Got it.

Good.

Thank you for that.

- You're welcome.

[laughs] - Just in case somebody's wondering.

- Yeah, yeah, of course.

I get a lot of questions about potting soils 'cause it can be kind of hard to understand.

So again.

- Oh boy.

- With this, so this turtle vine and the regular green turtle vine grow so fast that sometimes they can be kind of hard to manage.

'Cause they'll outgrow their pot.

So this is a great method also.

- Oh boy.

- Again, I just- - All right.

[laughs] - A little squeeze of the pot- - Okay.

- And just pull it on out.

So if your plant seems to be kind of suffering, it's turning brown.

You're getting a lot of brown, you just can't seem to keep it watered.

Pull it out.

You can use the soil knife or your hands.

- Oh, here we go.

All right.

Just right through it, huh?

- Yeah, just right through it.

- All right, okay.

- With these plants, you don't have to be careful.

[plant rustling] [laughs] Pull 'em right apart.

- Right apart.

Okay.

- And then this one is gonna be ready to go right back into the same size or into a bigger pot.

- Mm-hm.

- And you can't even tell that was divided.

- No.

I mean, you really can't.

- It really, really looks just as big as it was.

And then this is the same.

You can also divide this one again.

[plant rustling] - And just have multiple.

Yeah.

- These are tough plants.

- Okay.

- You can really rip 'em apart, they'll be fine.

- Like you're doing.

I see that.

- Yeah.

- Okay.

That's good.

- And they're ready to go back into another pot.

Fill 'em in with soil, water 'em, they're ready to go.

- Jill, we appreciate that demonstration.

- You're welcome.

- Thank you so much.

- Sure.

- Alright.

[upbeat country music] - Well this is a skip laurel, Schipkaensis laurel and is got winter damage on it.

The leaves are hanging on it.

It is okay to leave the leaves hanging on it when the new leaves emerge, they'll push the old ones off at that time.

I know we've gotten some weather and it's been damaged a little bit, but this particular, I'll scrape it with a little bit of another handy dandy way to keep your pruners.

Always have something to do with them.

So scrape away the bark of some of these and reveal green inside [plant rustling] so that you know that it's live inside.

Another clue that it's still alive is the fact that it has green stems on a lot of the tips of all of the branches.

Skip laurel was found in the Shipka Pass in 4,000 feet in Bulgaria in 1889.

So it will survive in Zones 5-8.

So it got hit by some cold, but it will survive.

[upbeat country music] - Hi doc.

New blackberry cultivars, right?

- Yeah, so- - Exciting, huh?

- Yeah.

- I like blackberries too.

- And it is, it's a great time of year to think about the deliciousness that can be yours in summer, right.

- Oh, I like that.

I like that.

- Yeah, yeah.

So it's a great time of year to think about some of the bare root options.

That early spring period is a really good planting time for a lot of our small fruits.

- Good deal.

- And I did bring a few samples with me.

You know, I love to transport plants - Oh yeah, we know that.

- In the car across the state.

And so these are some examples of some of the new cultivar trials- - Okay.

- That we have going.

And so we actually, in one of our research stations at UT, we actually have a 10-cultivar trial that was just- - Ten.

- It's just close to a year old.

- Okay.

So we're actually gonna be getting fruit this summer and you know, in full volume.

And so we have some of the traditional standards of blackberries, as well as some of the new cultivars that are coming on the market.

- That's pretty good.

Do y'all need anybody to come up and do any taste testing?

- Oh, I really think that it will be.

- Oh, okay, okay.

[laughs] - We've been calculating out what the tonnage is gonna be and we're thinking that there may be a little bit available for sampling.

- Oh, okay.

All right, all right.

Good deal.

- Yeah.

[laughs] - All right.

So what did you bring us today to look at?

- So I brought today a couple of examples of some of the new cultivars, but first, I wanted to kind of point out a little bit about blackberry growth habits so that some of the cultivars and some of the things that we were talking about would make sense.

- Okay.

- So essentially, we call blackberries what we would say is biennial canes, right.

Which means they live for two years.

And so typically what will be bearing fruit will actually be what we call the floricane.

This is a potted plant, so it is not a 100% happy.

The berries will be bigger, and you know, once it gets into full production and then in the ground.

But the fact that there are berries on this cane means that this is actually its second year of growth.

And so we call that a floricane.

- Floricanes, all right.

- The first year of growth would be, you can kind of see this- - Yeah.

- This taller guy here in the back, and so we would call this primocane.

- Yeah.

- So essentially it will grow vegetatively in the first year and then it will flower and bear fruit in the second year.

And then this cane will die back.

- Okay.

- And so that is kind of our standard, you know, blackberry habits.

- Good description.

- So if you have blackberries, you know, in the backyard or in the woods- - Yeah.

- That's gonna be their standard habit.

And there are a lot of great cultivars that are on the market that are this traditional floricane bearing.

- Okay.

- And this is, we live in the, you know, in the Mid-South and it's a great climate for blackberries, but the breeding is really spreading that out.

So they can be grown, you know, in many parts of the country.

Now they are cold-weather sensitive.

- Okay, sure.

- So, you know, there are some spots where, you know, if you get down far below zero, we start to, you know, get a little bit dicey there.

But there are many parts of the country that can work well for them.

And typically what will happen is we'll grow this primocane, lots of times when it gets above our trellis systems, because many of these will require a training system, you know, we'll pinch the top out that will encourage lateral growth.

And from those laterals, next year will be where the fruit will be borne.

So that's- - From the lateral growth, I gotcha.

- Yeah, yeah.

- Okay.

Didn't know that.

- Of course, this is an example of one that has not been pruned and you can see the fruit growing from the top.

But you know, he'll produce more fruit if he has more side shoots.

So you can see that there is some management required.

Well, the interesting thing that has of course been occurring in the breeding world for cane berries for the last few decades really, is the opportunity to, instead of waiting for that second year to bear fruit, actually bear fruit on a first-year cane.

- How about that.

- So we call that primocane bearing.

- Okay.

- Or you know, that may be the geeky terminology for it.

[laughs] Lots of times you might see them refer to as fall bearing.

- Okay.

I've seen that.

- And there've actually been fall-bearing raspberries available for longer than blackberries.

So if you've grown Heritage, if you've grown Caroline, - Okay, know those.

- Those would be fall bearing, which means that they're gonna grow and they're gonna produce fruit on that first year of cane.

- Okay, good deal.

- There can be, of course, some marketing assets if you're a, you know, small grower.

The benefit for a homeowner is that it can make management really simple because you can just cut down all of the canes in the fall or the late winter.

- Huh.

- They will grow, they will produce fruit.

- Okay.

- You can cut them again before you know they grow the next year.

And so it makes management- - God, it does make it really simple.

- Really simple.

Yeah.

- Oh man.

That works out real good.

- Yeah, yeah.

And so we call those primocane bearers.

- Okay.

- And now we actually have some that are available in blackberries as well.

And so this little guy right here is actually a cultivar called Prime-Ark Freedom.

[laughs] Much of the blackberry breeding is coming out of the University of Arkansas.

- Huh.

- Not surprising, you know, they're great.

- Yeah, not surprising.

- Great crop for that part of the world.

And so actually all of these are examples of crops that are coming outta the Arkansas breeding program.

And so our trial and what we're really looking at is primocane versus floricanes bearing things like yield, quality, taste- - Taste.

- Taste quality.

- Taste, yeah.

- And we're gonna have different trellis systems.

So how we support- - Okay.

- These canes.

And we really want this information to be useful, certainly for small producers- - Sure.

- But for homeowners as well, because there's a lot of that information that goes both ways.

- Okay.

- For the small scale, commercial, and for the homeowner.

And so I brought a couple examples.

I talked a little bit about Freedom as the primocane bearer.

[laughs] Now he may not get quite big enough to bear much on this first year.

- No.

No.

- But under normal circumstances, you know, he would flower and bear fruit later in the season on a first-year cane.

This is one of the newest cultivars that is on the market.

And this is a cultivar named Ponca.

And Ponca is one that we are especially excited about kind of in the world of small fruits because it is bred to have a very high soluble solids content, sugar for those of us- - Mm-hm.

Yes, yes.

- Who really like sweetness.

[laughs] And so it has been tested above 10%, 11, 12, 13%.

- Wow, how about that.

- Soluble soilds so it is very sweet now- - It's gonna be good and sweet.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

- For some of us, we, you know, love a straight up sweet berry.

And so that's really where this breeding is going.

This is a floricane bearer, but it is bred to be very high soluble solid.

So, you know, when you think about blackberries, the blackberries that we might find, you know, wild or some of the older cultivars that have been in production for a while may have a little bit more of that acid balance.

- Uh-huh.

- I kind of think eating blackberries is just like eating tomatoes, you know.

[laughs] Do you like straight sweet?

- Do you like... Right, right, right.

- You want some acid balance.

- Right.

- And where- - That's a good point.

- Yeah.

And where this breeding is going is a little bit more straight sweet.

- Okay.

- But we're really looking forward to seeing how this plant grows and produces and how it tastes along with, you know, the other eight cultivars that are in that trial.

- Yeah.

Well, can't wait to, you know, see the results.

- Yeah.

- And maybe taste the results as well.

- Yeah.

- Quickly, any disease issues we need to know about or?

- Yeah.

So certainly- - Insect pests.

- Some of the things that we pay close attention to when we think about disease management on blackberries.

Now there are some, you know, stem diseases- - Anthracnose.

- Yeah, yeah.

- Would be one.

We wanna pay attention to what might be like a dieback that can occur, a stem blight, when we make cuts and do pruning.

You know, so good sanitation- - Oh, yeah.

- You know, good control of, you know, the health of those stems.

One of, you know, of course there are fungicide.

- Oh yeah, sure.

- Protective fungicide that we can use.

As a general statement, we don't really have a recommended schedule for a home blackberry.

- Mm-hm.

- You know, we would encourage folks to pay close attention.

- Oh yeah.

- And if necessary, you know, there are materials they can use.

But one of the interesting things about primocane versus floricane bearing is that you may really be able to reduce disease incidents overall.

- Okay.

Good.

- By not carrying over that second year cane.

- Yeah.

Second year.

Got it.

Good.

- Which could provide, you know, an even simpler mechanism for controlling disease.

- That's good.

- There are certainly some, you know, there are some leaf diseases as well and we can even get into spotted wing drosophila.

We can even get into some insect- - Okay.

- Issues for those later summer berries.

But as a general statement, blackberries can be a great place to start when we think about fruit crops for the home garden.

- Oh yeah.

Nice and sweet.

- Yeah.

- Like that.

[laughs] - You know, there are times when people will say, what kind of peach should I grow?

And I'll say, I would recommend blackberries.

[laughs] Have you considered blueberries?

So there are some ways that small fruits can be a great way to start, you know, and kind of get your feet wet before the more challenging tree fruits.

- Good deal.

We appreciate that information.

Doc, that's good stuff.

[upbeat country music] - I have two plants here that are ready to move up.

This one is a snapdragon and it has a tap root system.

This one is a digitalis and all the leaves come out of one center point.

So when you're planting this one stays at the same soil level.

This one I could actually plant deeper if I wanted to.

So I'm gonna show you how to do this.

These are about the same height.

So, but I still want to put a little bit of soil down in the bottom of the pots and I just gently squeeze the pot like this.

And I'm just going to gently put him down in there, push him down just a little and then backfill.

This one [pot scratching] I can just go up the stem, it's not gonna matter.

[pot scratching] On this plant, the digitalis, it comes, it's called a crown plant 'cause all the leaves come out of that central point.

I'm going to squeeze gently again.

You can, if the roots are starting to circle the bottom, you can gently loosen them like this.

Put him in there.

And now when I backfill, I want to be very careful though that I don't get a lot of soil down into the crown.

[upbeat country music] - Alright Jill, here's our Q and A segment.

You ready?

- I'm ready.

Let's do it.

- These are some good questions.

Here's our first viewer email.

"What are tree collards and how do you grow them?"

And this is Ruby from Memphis, Tennessee.

So I happen to know a little something about tree collards 'cause they grow those further south, right?

- Okay.

- They can actually grow to be about 10 feet tall.

- Really?

- Or taller, you know, in some cases, right.

- Wow, that's amazing.

- They're also a perennial, you know, if you go to Zones like what, 8, 9 through 11?

- Yeah.

- Right.

- Yeah.

Okay.

- So if you listen to the old timers, right.

The ones who have been gardening forever.

- Right.

- They like tree collards because they're sweeter.

They say it tastes more like kale than collards.

- Okay.

- Right.

So they grow on a stalk.

- Uh-huh.

- The leaves are about 10 inches in length, right.

So it almost looks like a stalk, a pompom, you know, stalk with these leaves up top.

So almost like a pompom.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

- But it grows just like regular collards.

- Okay.

- Regular Brassicas, right.

- Okay.

- So full sun, rich soils.

Plenty of irrigation.

- Mm-hm.

Right, lots of water.

- Lots of water.

So those are your tree collards.

Have you heard of that before?

- No.

Never heard of 'em.

That sounds really interesting.

I'd like to check 'em out.

- Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

Yeah.

- Uh-huh.

- Sweet though.

- Okay.

- I think this taste pretty good, huh?

- Okay.

- Yeah.

- Good stuff.

- So thank you Ruby for that question.

We appreciate that.

Alright, here's our next viewer email.

Interesting, right.

"How many hours is considered full sun?

"I have a couple of plants that I want to purchase, but they require full sun."

- Right.

- So we usually get that question, don't we?

- Oh sure.

- How many hours is full sun?

- Sure.

- So what do you say about that?

- Well, it's a difficult question to say, we can't say exactly four to six hours.

- Okay.

- Because it depends on what time of day.

- Okay.

- Early morning sun is good sun, but it's not super hot.

- Yeah.

- Afternoon sun is super, super hot here in the South.

- Yes.

Yes.

- So if you have four to six hours, but that's only from seven in the morning until noon, I would still consider that part sun.

It's just not very strong.

- Okay, okay.

Okay.

- But if you're getting full sun from 10 to 2 or from noon to four or six, that's full sun.

- That's full sun.

- So that afternoon sun is your full sun.

- Afternoon sun.

- Here in the South.

- You know what, I read a publication not too long ago.

It was saying that you should calculate full sun starting at 10 AM because anything before that, the sunlight is actually not as strong.

So that kinda goes to your point.

- Yeah.

It's still so low.

It's still so low in the sky.

There's just not that much solar radiation getting through.

- Yeah.

- That early in the morning.

- Yeah.

But here in the South.

- Woo, that afternoon.

- Yeah.

- Afternoon gets hot.

- Yeah.

It gets hot.

Definitely full sun.

All right, thank you for that question.

Here's our next viewer email.

"When should our fertilize my Bermuda grass in the spring?"

And this is Wayne from Germantown, Tennessee.

- Okay.

- So the old Bermuda grass, right.

- Yeah.

- So here's the trick, right.

- Okay.

- So with Bermuda, you have to let it transition through the green-up period.

- Okay.

- When that finishes, then you can fertilize.

That usually happens in this area in May.

So you're gonna be fertilizing sometime in May.

I like for people to fertilize according to their soil test.

Right.

- Okay.

- If you have not gotten your soil tested, then you can use any of the complete, you know, fertilizers, triple-10, triple-13 or something like that.

- Mm-hm.

- But again, you're gonna fertilize once that Bermuda transitions through the green-up period.

So we're probably looking at May- - Okay.

- You know, for this area.

- Well, that's good to hear 'cause grass is not my specialty.

- Yeah.

- And I think I would've guessed earlier in the spring.

So that's interesting.

Good to know.

- Yeah, so if you do that too early in the spring, I mean there's always the threat of, you know, a freeze or frost.

- Right.

It would have too much growth.

- You don't wanna encourage that growth, right.

- And then... Mm.

- You know, after fertilizing then you get a- - Good point.

- You know, a frost or a freeze, right.

- Good point.

Makes sense.

- So you have to be careful about that.

Jill We survived the rain.

- We did.

It's gotten a little lighter.

- We're getting lighter now.

Thank you so much for being here today.

- Thank you, thank you for being here with me.

- Alright, thank you.

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