Now the 419 with Gretchen DeBacker Matt Killum And Kevin Mullan, Welcome bac to another episode of the 419.

Don't change your dial.

Kevin is out on vacation.

And by vacation, I mean rehab in Arizona.

We are joined today b Jon Eikost, Gretchen DeBacker.

Jon thanks for bringing the energy.

Thanks for having me.

Oh.

All right, John, welcome aboard.

Buddy.

So, John, I consider this.

We're happy to have you.

We've had you on the show many times to talk about the for when line nine list, but this could be considered an audition for you.

Hey, to become a permanent something.

Maybe.

Co-host.

That sounds great to me.

I've already put in my two week notice.

That's pretty good.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

How could I turn?

You can't turn it down.

Yeah.

Anyway, John, for the people that maybe have not met you before on prior episodes, you are basically toledo.com, but you work there and you have been providing to us this whole time our weekly, top five list.

Yes.

That's right.

Tell us a little bit more about toledo.com before we get underway.

So toledo.com is a website that, for years we have really the foundation of that website is our event calendar and the event calendar.

Is really what keep people coming back to the site, maybe making plans for the weekend.

You have friends or family coming in from out of town.

And so we take that part of the site really seriously.

In terms of just keeping an eye on what organizations, non-profits, who's putting wha together, we have a live music calendar called the Gig Guid and the event calendar itself.

People forget like how how much work that takes.

You know, there's lots.

Keep it up to date.

There's a lot going on.

Yeah.

And really, we don't discriminate in our calendar.

In other words I mean, it can be a community, garage sale and it could be, you know, a huge festival.

I'll tell you what, one of the things I'm always impressed by, I'm saying I'm totally aware of the event calendar, if you will, what's going on around?

But even I have been shocked, and pleasantly surprised by just the vast amount of things that are happening and within proximity to, has partnered with us.

Obviously, bringing this, on a regular basis because you can't get to these events by Tada, which is a unique thing to be able to offer for a city of our size.

So proud partnership there is.

We're proud to talk about this.

I know this list is curated down from a list of, you know, literally hundreds of things.

But they are fun.

And you can find something for everybody.

And I think you are, the author of this, thinking.

But you do encourage people, John, to just get out and try something.

Maybe that, that is one to you as lutely.

I've always asking you, and I don't know if you've asked this before, because I rarely listen when you speak, and I don't regret that decision.

But is there anything, Sorry.

Saying something.

That's a that back and forth is.

We'll get that with Kevin.

He is just, total fearless.

Yeah, he's a man.

We might as well have AI in here, but.

Yeah, and I don't mean artificial intelligence.

I mean Haley Joel Osmen from the movie and your words.

Shane.

I'm just kidding.

I know you don't have movies where you're from.

But, John, have you happened across something?

Not necessarily on the list, but in Toledo, just walked into a thing or visited an event that, Nancy was not humming with.

But you were surprised how cool it was.

I mean, there have been a number of, like, art galleries that have opened, recently, you know, there's, the River Gallery and then the gallery, is it mind and what's th the one that, Charlie Rodriguez.

Oh, yes.

Kind of just opened it up.

You know, things like that are great.

And those are the things that require people to really explore, explore and support.

That's a good segue into that list.

Yeah, that was really fast.

Events of the week, startin with Art loop, which is tonight.

So excited.

Art loop is tonight again part of Watershed Weekend.

You can go it's it's themed Starburst, which is about the new sculpture that was just installed over in the International Cove.

So that's tonight.

Free event music walking around and dance.

You know, again, like you said, it is part of Watershed Weekend.

Two of the two of the top five events are part of that.

Including watershed weekend as a whole.

But the Starburst Art loo Starburst is primarily features a lot of dance troupes of all types, performing international code.

You know, now that that space has been redeveloped, it's now called International Cove.

It used to be called a lot of people referred to it as International Park.

Yep.

But a beautiful new.

So, public public art, a new sculpture has been installed, and it's just another great destination right along the riverfront.

Another event tonight, is pork and pork.

We had our friends from out of McDonald House on earlier, but just a reminder that that's 6 to 10 tonight at Centennial Terrace.

Then we have, this weekend.

We've talked about it yesterday.

We've mentioned it briefly now today, which is watershed weekend.

It's a big weekend with metro parks starting tonight with, the art loop running through Sunday.

A whole host of activities go to Metro parks.

So you can take to take a look at all.

That is so much part of that also is Tech Lido, which is a big event on Saturday night with a totally free, which I did not know until I was just getting ready for the show today.

Yeah, they do encourage people to donate because again, that money is going toward the River Gallery project, but there's no entrance fee.

You just go and show up and they have it's a techno hous kind of thing, multiple stages.

It's going to be at the ribbon, at Metroparks on Saturday night, June 13th.

And then finally we have the old Water Garden tour, which I'm hoping doesn't get rained out this weekend, but it's so lovely.

I live in old Orchard, peopl walking around the neighborhood, my my house shockingly, will not be on the tour.

In fact, I'll probably polic tape up to not go in the yard.

But, it is this weekend from 10 to 5, I am sorry, this Sunday from 10 to 5.

All right, well, as we close out, great list, great things, events.

We have the Village Players here in our next segment.

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Welcome back to the 419.

We are graced with actual talent for the first time.

Certainly in this show, we've got Brian and Cassie from the Village Players, and we've got a big show coming up, the Wedding Singer and the two of you.

I hope you got her in it.

So I've been told it's going to be a very long segment.

Talk to me a little bit about, what the village players are, and how long have you been with them?

So those players, it's one of the many, many community theaters in the area.

So really, all of them, all the community theaters are very similar in that it's a lot of volunteer talent from the area.

So it's right here's the worst community theater, in your opinion, you can say, looking right into this camera and saying no comment or no, keep going.

But yeah, the they all really just bring a lot of different people together from all different forms of life, all different skill sets, different ages, different ages.

Like we got a very big mix with ages in this show.

Sure.

We have people that do acting things.

We do have people that do not, do not do acting things.

I'm an engineer by day.

I don't act during the day.

Yeah, I mostly sit at a desk.

Do you act like you for your job?

Yeah, yeah.

I thought you that I'm o the verge of not doing it right.

So what?

So tell us a little bit abou is the show this weekend?

Yep.

So opening weekend is this weekend okay.

And how long does it run?

Somewhere betwee like, two to 2.5 hours, I think.

I mean, how long is the whole run?

Oh, we're going to show.

Yeah.

So opening weekend is this weekend.

Next weekend?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then tell everyone where the Village Players Theater is or where is it going to be performed.

So it's up on up to an avenue near the intersection of central so near downtown Toledo ish area.

And the show is The Wedding Singer, which I've never seen, but I've seen the movie.

So what?

How similar are the stories?

And what's what's presented?

Jesse, after, Gretchen's done with his dissertation, we would like to know, something about you.

Don't worry.

That'll be several later.

We'll get back to you.

Yeah.

Perfect.

But I'm interested in both of you.

You're certainly younger than the two of us.

My community theater, by definition, is yo can you know who I'm not doing.

But, But theater is important, and you both are plugged in.

How do you get involved?

Honestly I did a teen show when I was 19.

It was like the last year.

I could do it just because I had a friend who was interested in it.

And yeah, I just wanted something outside of school, like my college.

We both went to U.T., but Eugene doesn't really do musicals that often, and it was something I really enjoyed when I was little.

Like I did it from the time I was in second grade up until I was 18, and like, I just wanted an outlet, like a creative outlet.

But I told myself, have fun.

So the three of us, have connected.

We were certainly friends before in math but we connected doing improv.

There is a remarkably binding, componen to performing together, right?

You have to trust one another.

You have to rely on one another.

It's challenging.

Exhausting, thrilling.

Terrifying.

The connection you've made with people, who you did not know walking onto the stage or.

And that that has to be, of some, you know, real importance to you both.

Have you found that?

I would say for sure.

One of my best friends in th show, actually, now, Megan, we we actually did that first teen show together as well with our friends then.

But we've done a couple shows together and I've made so many new friendships with, again like people of all ages, people I would never get to interact with.

Like, can you knock them out of respect?

Say how old she is but show her so much and like, I would never get to spend time with people all these different generations and like they can impart wisdom on you.

Give me tip and all these different things.

And also it's just so fun to be able to interact.

So, Cassie I've got you, quoted as saying, spend time with old people.

Waste of time.

Your words.

No no no no no no I but before I was rudely interruptin Gretchen, she was walking down the path of the show itself.

Gretchen.

Forgive me.

Sure.

Just how many people may have seen the movie with Adam Sandler, if I'm not mistaken.

Right.

So how how closely related does the movie and musical.

So they have a lot of similarities.

And a lot of differences between both them.

Obviously, they have to do different thing to adapt a movie to a musical.

You know, the movie has a lot of like, you know, 80s tunes and 80 songs in it, and then some original songs.

So there i there are a couple of the songs that are from the movie that are in the musical, but the overall story is still there.

The really the big thing that I think that the musical does is that it fleshes out the entire cast.

The movie itself kind of focuses on just Robby and Julia, right?

The musical really brings a whole on set to the entire cast and kind of brings hone in on all of the specific side characters, and they each get their own little moment, and the entire ensemble gets their own moments to bring out and shine.

I mean, there's 19 people in our cast, Lord.

So there's a lot of, a lot of people up on that stage.

You gotta love a good group dance, right?

You have parts.

We we each play, and.

Oh, that's important.

I am, I'm rabbi, I'm Adam Sandler.

Nice.

All right.

Playing Julia, who is Drew Barrymore?

Drew barrymore.

Nice.

So how many performance have you put on in your careers?

Geez.

Watch your mouth, please.

We have FCC regular.

I did six different performances back in high school, and then I got back into community theater back in like 2024.

And this is my sixth one.

So where did you did you go to school around here?

I went to school like an hour southwest of here, out in Paulding, Ohio.

Okay.

Timbuktu, middle of nowhere.

Go.

One show every year since I was seven through 18.

And then I took a little break.

And then against that was 19.

So many not going to do math to really, really.

We wouldn't know how to correct it anyway.

So really any time.

Yeah.

That's right.

So, this performance in particular, I'm sure, gelling as a cast is a highlight.

But take that aside.

Are there moments in this is there a piece that you're particularly adhering to or love doing?

Is there not ha momen when you were performing this?

Honestly, I would say my favorite part of the show, something like one of our scene is like towards the end where, you know, they've been on this wild goose chase to finding the connection together, like this whole musical.

And it kind of it finally comes to your head right at the very end with one song.

It's called Grow Old With You.

And to me, it' just one of the most beautiful shows of love, of, like, all the mundane things, like growing old with someone like, I'll let you use the remote control, I'll let you win at checkers when we play together.

Vows similarly.

Right.

Yeah.

Like just I don't know.

That's one of my favorite combinations at the moment.

I'm curious to know, how does how did the village players select their season?

Yeah.

How did you how did do you have any idea how the, you know, the upper, you know, management, if you can call it that and decided that the wedding singe would be on this year's season.

That's an awesome question.

I couldn't tell, I think right, because I haven't seen it yet in this area.

It's been a long time sinc they last, and I can remember, I think there was like maybe a high school that might have done it within the last handful of years.

But, because whenever I was, you know, looking around at the wedding singer Toledo, there were results, but there were always going to be high schools.

I think the we we had brought on several people in from the village players.

There's a committe that comes in and they sort of bring in what they want, to potentially put in, and they vote as a group.

I'm curious.

There there has to be a high level of energy that you have to bring to every one of these performances, and you've been practicing an practicing and practicing again.

The two of you are comparatively young, certainly to myself, who is barely able to get myself in the school in and out again.

But is that how do you get ready for show three or the last one?

What does that look like?

What's preparation look like?

Do you still have anxiety?

I mean, honestly, after, like, opening night, everything just kind of once everything really starts for performances, i just kind of falls into place.

It feels like it falls into place.

You would think that, you know, you're up there on opening night and it's like, oh my gosh, I'm super, super anxious.

And that's how a lot of people might be.

But at least for like me an for a lot of other performers, yeah, you just kind of get up there and you kind of feel at home and you really feel like you're in that character and you're playing off that part.

And then every night's just kind of building off of each other, so it doesn't ever really feel like a marathon, really.

I would say the only thing it feels like a marathon is like tech week leading up to performances, because you're in that this week, right?

Yeah.

Can you do you like to know, like if your grandma's in th audience or your best friends?

Or do you not want to kno what show people are coming to?

Oh, I want to know.

Yeah, yeah.

He wrote you want to know because there's some shows, there's like little moments where you can, like kind of point them out or do something like there's some shows where you get to interac with the audience a little bit.

And then like, we have a couple of those during the show, and like hopefull like something we're looking for is to see a lot of peopl like, dress up in like 80s gear because we do have like an 80 season costume.

So we've got Bryan, Cassie from The Village Players, two of the leads, if you will.

For The Wedding Singer coming up this weekend.

Cassie, from your perspective, this is, a fun and big show, your daytime job, or you're in the process of being an educator.

And you're an engineer.

I'm curious as to performing.

Then you go back to your desk or go back to your books.

Do you pine, for being back on stage again?

Or are you relieved to go back to, some of the nuance of the mundane parts of life?

Honestly, for me, it' such a break away from my life, and it's just like a safe place to go to and like, hanging out with one people and do the thing that I love to do, like perfor and just kind of not be myself for a while.

It's fun to, like step into someone else's persona for a bit and like not not be Cassidy for a while.

Like, I don't know, it's something we wish Gretchen would do that.

Yeah.

Oh, what about you?

But, I mean, same thing.

And I really just like meeting different people.

Yes, through all these things.

Because, I mean, like, before I got back into the theater, it was, you know, it was a lot of just work and then go hom and just see friends and stuff.

So, like, this way I was able to meet a lot of people.

And every show you do, you meet brand new people.

There's never the same cast.

What's the one show that you, have always wanted to do?

And why is it Guys and Dolls?

Because Nathan Detroit.

I mean, I'm pretty much looking at him, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Gretchen.

But is there a show?

For me, it'd be next to normal.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's so cute.

So good.

Honestly.

Same.

Yeah.

I do love that musical.

I'm waiting on that to come around here.

Yes, I'm about to do it.

Hasn't been here yet.

Gretchen you're a performer.

I'm curious.

Oh, how come you've never considered doing, the community theater?

No.

Yeah I think about it all the time.

I wanted to audition for Fiddler on the roof, and then I didn't.

Yeah, for those of you who don't know Gretchen, it, it can really sing, and has a stage presence.

I was always kind of.

There's not that you have an abundance of free time, admittedly, because of this stupid show.

Okay, there's this part I won't take it personally that you didn't mention my thing.

Yeah, and you shouldn't have to be shot.

Also is.

Good thing this is what we do.

The transition into Gretchen's wacky quiz.

I know that you're well prepared for it.

By well prepared I can tell by your blank faces that, you're not, But we're going to do rapid fire questions.

Johnny's gonna ask you one word to describe the city and or region, and then Gretchen's going to work with the alert.

Just hold on.

It can't wait till Kevin gets back.

Gretchen is going to walk with you for the nine of your favorite things about the city and our region.

So, are you ready?

Okay, consider this opening day performance.

If you're made a world leader what policy would you introduce?

I have a five minute segment.

We'll skip that one.

What is the weirdest thing you've ever eaten?

Kale?

Yes.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Any vegetable?

Any vegetable.

What a healthy group.

If you could fly, where would you fly to first?

Oh my gosh.

Japan.

Korea.

Yeah.

Very good.

Both good answers.

John like I say, is a relative term.

Guess.

No.

Okay.

What is the last craft you made?

Pottery.

All right.

Nice.

Probably something for a stage outfit.

I don't know what, but something bedazzled, maybe.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

Here is the final question.

Since we skipped one, if you were the captain o a pirate ship, what would you.

What would be the name of your ship?

Jolly mermaid.

Love it.

The going Mary.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wow.

Those are both very quick.

Look at that.

You have.

Yay!

All right.

John.

Okay, well, it's Matt already said one word to describe Toledo.

If you can think vibrant or nice.

Gorgeous.

All right, all right.

So now week, you guys can work together, which means you each have 4.5 technically.

It's favorite things.

It can be anything.

Your favorite places to go see, look at, eat anything when I was little imagination station okay.

That's a good one.

Wildwood Park is huge for me.

Okay, one more time.

Wildwood Park.

Yes, that okay.

The zoo.

Okay.

You community theaters.

Yes, yes.

It's good to hole.

All right.

We got four more.

Cassie, if you were at the zoo, what is the biggest waste of time?

Animal house.

I was a zoo teen.

I can't I can't comment on.

I'm sorry for putting in a spot Thank you for your indulgence.

And thank you for your dedication.

That's right.

One of my favorite restaurant, Bangkok Kitchen.

Okay.

Yes.

Great.

Yeah, that's for you.

And lilies.

Okay, I'm going to shout out Corina because a family friend used to own it.

Okay.

Try i if you have it.

It's very good.

One more for each of you.

Pressure and anything.

Beer too.

Okay.

No hail the beer.

Student.

Okay.

I don't want to bring up from point.

Yes, it is one grape.

Oh, miss.

Put her on the spot.

Anything.

Anywhere.

Anything.

Anybody.

Literally.

The only thing i coming in my head is Bob Evans.

Because I went there yesterday.

Okay?

Yeah.

This is the best guess.

You possibly.

It's his best.

It's like he goes to breakfast there nine times a week.

Not by backpackers, I mean breakfast, lunch and dinner.

I'm waiting for Bob Evans.

Shout ou yeah man.

You're the first one.

The first one, John, because I just came alive.

But Jasmine, what's your chef share?

Your favorite meal.

What is it?

It's the rise and shine.

I mean, you can get breakfast there any time, and it's.

Yeah.

And a lot of people don't know this.

This is here's a pro tip.

The sodium level you can for your bread.

You can substitute a one slice of French toast.

Oh no.

Instead of just what a good hash is.

Bread, by the way.

You're welcome.

Yeah.

Which contains breads.

All right.

As we close out here, we got 20s taught me of the runtimes and where people can g see the wedding sing.

So.

Yep.

So you can get tickets at the Village players.org.

We run from June 12th through the 21st.

So opening weekend is the 12th through the 14th.

And then the second weekend is the 18th through the 21st.

Any Sunday performances at 2:00 pm and then any other performances at 7:00 pm?

Ryan.

Cassie, thank you.

Congratulations.

Thank you for joining us.

Check it ou at the Village Players on Upton, and we'll be back for our next segment.

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Welcome back to the 419, a great segment with village players and an exciting addition to community theater.

I've got a friend of mine and a friend of the river, Paul Lewis, here.

Paul, you're with James, but, you are, and I'm Jane.

And forgive me.

This is my first time doing this job.

I got your first name right.

It is Paul.

Yeah, yeah, that's what.

That's what friendship means to me.

Paul, I when we first start talking about this show.

No joke.

I said, I want to have Paul on because of all the things that have been done in the history of the town, people do have an affinity, for the river.

Right?

So, absolutely.

What you bring every day is, is special.

And we'll get to that in just a second.

But, Paul, talking about what you do and why in God's name you'v decided to do this for a career.

Well, you know, I want to be broke the rest of my life, so I bought a boat, realized how much money it cost, and I just kept buying.

And you bought a second one?

Yeah, I have a problem.

Yeah, yeah.

No.

So I started, when I was a kid.

My grandfather was a charter boat captain.

So, as a byproduct I went fishing all summer long.

Yeah.

Do you also like to be broke?

So do you like to spend massive amounts of fuel to take the customers out and then take me out after, you know, and then as I got into high school, it was just the natural progression that I started working as a first mate o the charter boats in the Marina.

As a summer job.

What did you grow up?

So that's a fun story.

Yeah.

So I was born in Toledo.

Yeah.

Lived here with my grandparents till I was three.

Okay.

In the meantime, my mom had moved about an hour south of Nashville, Tennessee.

Okay.

Met my stepdad when they got married.

I, moved down there.

So I go to school down there and, then in the summertime, I' come back and spend the summer with my grandparents, who live kind of over by, state Park.

Sure.

And, he ran his boat out of me.

Keys.

So, I'd spend the summer.

It's amazing to work in those.

When I graduated i oh four, I moved back up here.

He had also been a union carpenter.

Okay, so I got in the unio as a carpenter, and I still fish and run the charters on the weekends.

The natural, natural progression of that was, at some point I wanted to become a captain, gotten a captain's license.

We were runnin two trips a day on the weekends.

So my grandfather was getting to the point where that was starting to wear on him.

Oh, this is amazing to me.

So, I mean, not a traditional trajectory, necessarily, but your ground was very close to my grandfather as well.

But he and I have no skills whatsoever.

So we just kind of hung out at Wildwood.

That's no joke.

But this is essentially your best friend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's wonderful.

What was his name?

Michaelis.

Okay, so you talked to the ropes.

Anything in particular experiences you had, with him that, that stand out to you?

Yeah.

There were a couple times we were caught out there on the lake in that famous lake area.

Whether, you know, we'd be fishing, there'd be 2 or 3 water spouts going around.

And.

Yeah, it's no joke.

He'd say it out there kind of in all directions.

We might as well just stay put.

It's probably safer if we keep fishing.

You know, lightning would be coming in here on your arm would start to stand up for sure.

Who's the better fisherman?

You're him.

Oh, boy.

He's better at finding them.

I'm better at catching them.

They're very.

But I like that.

So I'm just curious how.

How does one become a licensed catch that was gonna be one exact question.

So, the first thing you gotta do is you have to spend time on boats with other captains.

So the United States Coast Guard, the license is issued throug the United States Coast Guard.

It's called a merchant marine credential.

The first thing you gotta do is have, 365 days and a three year minimum operatin training under another captain.

So similar to an apprenticeship, which I was familiar to from the union.

Sure.

So you gott kind of get your time in first, and then once that happens, there's different courses set up across the country.

Florida has a lot of, New York has a lot of them.

Toledo surprisingl does have several of them here.

Typically they will bring in, teacher from either Florida or New York and do them in the winter, because that's when all of our local fishermen are off work.

Yeah.

And those mates are off and wanting to upgrade.

So they'll you do a course, some of them or, you know, al every day for a couple of weeks.

Some of them are weekends spaced over amount of time.

Finish that course material.

Then there's a series of tests given by the Coast Guard.

You have to pass everything, etc., etc.. Go through background checks, physicals, all these things.

Once you jump through all the hoops, pay them their money.

Of course.

Then they'll issue your merchant marine credential, and then it's based on your knowledge.

So, it's all about how big of a boat you can run, and that's based on how big of a boat you trained on.

So the bigger boat you trained on, the bigger boat you can operate.

So is are you okay if you ge that classification of captain?

Is it.

I was going to just ask you that.

Is it per boat or do you have a captain?

You can run any vessel.

So I have a masters 100 ton.

So that means I can run any vessel in the country that's under 100 gross ton.

I would tel every single person I ran into is that if I were you, I mean I would check it out on shirts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There it it seems to me that it's certainly from, a company perspective, the brotherhood.

And I don't mean that gender specific, but is that true of captains as well?

There can't be millions of you, right?

I mean, bu are you connected in that way?

Is there do you feel particularly bound by the water and or sea?

Yeah, in a sense.

So, you know, a lot of times there's kind of that silent understanding when you meet someone else who's a captain or what have you.

An example of that is, we took the kids to down to the keys last summer.

Oh, cool.

For a vacation.

Yeah.

And unbeknownst to me, we went the week before their lobster season opened.

And so down there, one of their big things is they ran out all the boat rental places, rent their boats for that, their big moneymaker of the year, and typically because they don't want anybody to break them right before they don't rent out boats.

But when I called and he saw that I had my captain's credential, you said, you're good.

Yeah.

And he he rented to us.

What kind of driver are you?

I like to go fast and do circles.

Yeah.

Just the doesn't have a driver's license, but.

Yes, that's right.

They won't give me one of those.

I could drive a row.

I could drive a scooter or a 100 ton.

Oh that's right.

Right, right.

Nothing in between.

That's right.

I'm curious to know.

It's a it's not specific to Toledo, but are there any voyages that.

I guess that's the word that you aspire to that you've always look to get on a boat and so somethin that a lot of people like to do called the Great Loop, which is means they start from a particular location, like, let's say Toledo, and they'll go all the way out to the ocean, go all the way down to the Mississippi, come back up to Mississippi, and then make their way back to Toledo.

Okay.

All the waterways do make one giant loop.

You can go either direction.

I'm actually really fortunate enough that when we bought the Glass City Pearl, I got to do a portion of that, maybe a quarter of that.

So we bought it in Connecticut, and me and four other people brought it from Connecticut back to Toledo via the waterway.

Do you have a big loop for the Bob Evans?

Is that your frequent?

Yes.

So you start there's one in Perrysburg an then you go to Central Avenue.

No, it's it's not quite as grueling.

But yeah, I know I spoke t track Justice Ginsburg ruling.

What is the how are how is you body affected by the water now?

It's like, you know, people go on a boat and they come off the land.

They might feel that.

But do you have any feeling about, sea legs and boat legs hasn't affected your beard growth?

Depends.

You know, I got lots of oil dried out, so.

Yeah.

So, funny story that I lik to tell customers on the boat.

So in every pirate movie you've ever watched.

Right.

What you should be definitely be Jack Sparrow.

This for our Halloween cruises this year on, they always portrayed them as drunk, right?

They stumble around.

They can't keep their balance historically accurate.

They couldn't afford alcohol.

They walked that way because they had been on the ocean for so long.

And they had those sea legs and they're so used to the floor moving under their feet that when they got back to dry land, they their equilibrium was actually affected to a point where they couldn't walk.

So after I've spent all summer on the boat, I start to get a little bit of that, especially when we do some long trips.

If, you know, we're out with private group for a few days at, put-in-bay and Rattlesnak Island and Catawba Island Club and those kind of things and we're on the boat for days at a time where I'm just working 1,000,000 hours, which I tend to do.

I can get some of that, even some of our new mates that'll come in.

I'll be like, man, I went home last night and I went to take a shower and just everything was, And the smaller spac you get in after spending hours or all day on the boat will give you that effect.

I want to get into jam and talk about some of your fleet.

But first I want to ask you wha your favorite pirate movie is.

Yeah, I you know, I gotta say, I'm.

I'm partial to Jack Sparrow.

Yeah, well, if somebody want to choose this as a career path.

You talked a little bit about your story, but how do they start?

Where?

It's a place to go.

And would you tell them not to, I wouldn't tell them not to.

What I would probably tell them, i all fairness, is to do it young.

Do it before you settle down.

Yeah.

The opportunities for th captain's license are endless, and why wouldn't you want to go do it?

And the Caribbean or the Mediterranean or, you know, Florida?

You know, it's very difficul for us here in the Toledo area.

We got six months to make, 12 months worth of bills and that me as an owner.

But that's also all my employees.

Which most of my employees then, because of that, tend to be either guys that have their captain's license, but they retired from a normal job.

Police, fire, mayor.

Yeah.

Mayor.

I hope Wade's watching.

Yeah we got to have him on the boat.

Yes, sir.

But, but most of our mates and stuff are all college high school kids.

For that reason, because it is seasonal here.

Same for you, John.

Yeah.

So let's talk about what you guys offer.

And the cruises and how people can sign up to interact with the boats on the water.

Yeah.

So, I truly believe that we have a cruise for anybody and everybody in the city.

I mean, they range from 4th of July fireworks trips out to put in Bay twice a month, murder mystery, cigar cruises, Friday night family booze, cruise wine and charcuterie.

Fall.

Cruise fall.

Yeah.

In the fall, we change gears and do fall color with donut and coffee and apple cider.

And, we do Halloween cruises when it gets to be that time.

So we really, you know, sunset on the lake, sunset on the river, I mean, you name it, we do, bingo, karaoke.

There's really something that would fit everyone.

What do you hear from peopl once they've been out with you?

What do they.

What do they say?

What are the surprised that they're seeing?

Two most famous sayings is one.

I never knew Toledo could look this way.

Yeah.

And the other one is why it has, the casino port and docks.

Yes, sure.

Interesting.

You can have a different experience probably every time you're out on the boat.

But if somebody is hearing this for the first time and presumably could even be unaware that we are a river city, where do they connect with you and how how easy is it to plug in?

And I guess there's, throwing a lot of questions at you, but there are multiple vessels that you operate.

Yeah, that's just a whole gamu of what people can participate.

So we have the sandpiper which is a Toledo native, right?

Yeah.

Built in 1984 at the Andersen's fab shop.

Been on the river ever since.

So a lot of people have childhood memorie of going on school field trips.

They come back.

Yes.

Guy the other day said it was 25 years ago.

Last time I was on the boat, I was happy to be back.

We bought the Glass City Pearl roughly four years ago.

Where the sandpiper looks like an old, historic, accurate Erie Canal boat.

The Glass City Pearl looks more much more like a giant yacht.

Yeah, it's what we primarily use out on the lake.

A lot bigger.

It was built on the East coast, designed to handle bigger water.

We have our water Street taxi and tours, which currently is out of the water because we're repainting it and making some a lot of upgrades to it.

But that'll be back at the end of the month.

And then we just last summer purchased a 33ft Chris Craf that we're going to be selling for small, intimate groups.

So six people or less.

So if you've got a really close knit group of people want to do somethin very private and intimate now, we also offer somethin for that to also coming online, hopefully by we'd like to July 4th to be the first one, because the fireworks is always a huge thing for us on the water, and there's not a better seat.

You get a two hour tour, you get pizza, pop and water, it's BYOB and you literally get the absolute best seat in all of Toledo for the fireworks.

Cool.

John, is going to get back to that.

Just a second.

Is there a singular experience that ties this home team in, you know, water Guy?

And, obviously you and I met based on my day job, but talk to me a little bit about the importance, and absolute treasure that you get to be a part of every day being our river and lake.

Yeah.

I mean, one we're the only ones here in Toledo.

So, you know, that really puts all the burden on us, if you will.

But, that's one of my joys of the job is bringing everybody to the water, letting them experience that.

People who can't afford boats, who don't want the added expense of a boat, they still enjoy the water.

People who didn't know that they could be out on that wonderful resource that we have running through the heart of our city that truly can access to the rest of not only the nation, but the, world.

I mean, we get to watch freighters come in from all over the world every day, right?

That one resource we have is what made Toledo.

And to be physically on it every day and share that with people every day.

And the education behind that is amazing.

Where can people find more information about any of these cruises?

So they can either go to our website.

It's JM Cruise lines.com, which that will have all of our public schedule, all of our pricing and then also information to rent a boat privately if you want to do a graduation party, wedding, family reunion, corporate event, anything you could ever want to do, we're essentially become a floating venue.

And why rent a hall when you can see?

That's right.

Everything that nature has to offer while you're you're doing your event.

We've got about a 30s left.

What on eart do you do in the limited amount of free time that you have?

I go on other boats, other places.

Is that true?

Yeah, yeah.

We went to Cleveland last year wrote every boat that they had.

We go to Chicago, we ride their boats, we go to Key West, we rent boats.

We're taking the kids on a cruise this August.

I literally vacation and go get on a boat somewhere else.

What's your favorite boat other than your fleet?

I gotta say, the Disney cruise lines.

I mean, those things are just.

I mean, as a boat guy, I'm on a boat that big daddy, I that I want to go driving boats every day.

I want to go drive that thing just one time.

All right?

We're close out here with Paul Lewis with Jean M, partner and friend to the river and lake and all of us.

There's a million way to enjoy our riverfront in Lake.

Great way to d it is with this gentleman here.

Thanks, Paul.

For the time.

You know, getting up early to chat with me.

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And we're back for a world without Kevin.

I've got Shane in my ear.

He is like, in the voice in the back of your head that makes you contemplate hurling yourself off a tall sized skyscraper.

That was funny just now.

I can't say I don't thin until after midnight, I'm sure.

But we have two four timers here.

Kathy, commence, joining us.

And, John, I guess you want to wear my wonde where the former love it.

Okay.

Yeah.

And Cathy made a made a for, Yeah.

There you go.

So compare that to for timers club.

Yeah.

John.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah.

Kathy, thank you for having me back for me.

Thank you for being here.

So thank you We'd love to be with you guys.

Although you are usually a real drag energy wise.

I'm sorry.

I hope you can pick it up.

You want to host Bruno Mars concert?

I know I didn't go, she went.

Oh, you didn't go.

I did not go to your.

No, you didn't make that one.

You rub it in.

Yeah.

So I'm going to have to hit that again though.

He's kind of on that list I hav a yeah I need to see.

So yeah.

And as you say it was I should have exactly your concert, circuit is something that, we want to talk about, but you've got much, higher things to report.

We've got some summer programing.

I know it, I know it because.

Do you have summer plans You guys got big summer plans.

I have children, so I won't be experiencing jo for about another two Olympics.

Okay?

I like this, but there could be some kids summer programing.

John is a big live music fan.

Oh, man.

We've had.

Yeah.

What's your next big show?

What's your next big show?

Wilco.

I won't until Saturday when I'm in on Austin City Limits.

So many times.

Yes.

Yeah.

Are they going to b at Meadowbrook up in Michigan?

Great place.

Detroit I love that.

Before we lean into, Kathy here, is there a venue that is your favorite?

I love the arc in Ann Arbor.

Yeah, it's the greatest thing.

Room is small.

It only seats 400.

I can't believe it's that many, actually.

And then the stage is right here, and then everybody's seated all around the stage.

It's very intimate.

Visuals are helpful.

Kathy, for the radio.

Good point.

So the stage is in the middle and the audience is seated all around the stage.

Yes.

That's why they call i the best in the business.

Right.

But John, is there and you are one of the least negative people I know.

So excuse this question, but I am curious.

Is there a place that you find not ideal?

You do love music, but is there a venue or a place that you'll go to for the music, but not love any arena show?

No use.

Did you see Bruno Mars Arena?

Was the field Ford field?

Yeah.

That's tough.

Anything like if you go to Little Caesars Arena in Detroit and you're in the upper deck, the sound bounces around.

There's a mock of you, you know, care about that.

Kathy, what about you again?

That we won't get to why you're here?

But I do love your energy about all things.

Do you have, say, I usually don't do stadiums, but I wanted to go see Stevie Nicks, so be a huge fan.

She's one of my most favorite.

And I couldn't do the stadium.

I want to see her and Billy Joel, but I'm like, I just feel it feels unsafe.

Yeah.

Very unsafe.

So what about a favorite?

A favorite?

Yeah.

I love pinup.

I love Meadowbrook.

The arc, is a great place.

Like yo said, Michigan Theater is nice because it's a it's an event, but it's a smaller event.

And we've been going to Royal Oak Theater for some shows this summer.

Okay.

Yeah.

I want to see someone at, Frederick Meyer Gardens at their amphitheater.

I always wanted to see that.

Oh, it's so fast because everyone in that area loves their schedule.

They whoever books that venue, it's great.

They have John Delaney coming in the summer, and then we're going to see Indigo Girls.

Oh.

I saw them with Melissa Etheridge last summer.

Yeah.

When you get to the, the Danny's in Rossford, I think it appears to me.

And obviously, certainly compared to the group here, I know nothing about this, but they appear to be putting a lot of live music into that space And I believe it's in Rossford.

Your you're ranking of that.

I know again, I know that none of you are negative, people, but that seems to be a real positive and real value add.

Oh, it is, and I know Brad.

Okay.

And, they're helping us with our session series upstairs.

So to film our bands which is such a wonderful thing.

But they have a big stage downstairs and, and it's, and it's a great place to see a show.

And they have bands like all during the week like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

That's what I was going to say.

Like venues that aren't just a Friday Saturday kind of thing, but just any day of the week.

And the Village Idiot is like that.

As well.

There are a handful of seven days a week venues, but, that's a hard thing to do It's a hard thing to pull off.

But they have gotten a reputation, of course, bringing in a lot of great bands.

All right, well, that's the making of a reputation this great program.

That is.

So let's, let's talk a little bit about the what's coming up for summer programing for me.

I have so much to tell you that will entertain you for the summer, especially since you're going to be home a lot.

Matt.

Yes, ma'am.

But so many things.

So tonight being Thursday, I'm going to repeat the trail fire of 1961.

That's that really big fire that was on the Anthony Wayne Trail.

It's a half hour show and it talks to people who were there.

Heard the explosion, 1961 61, 1961.

It was a great year, but I wasn't born yet, so I don't know.

I don't remember it so, but I'm sure.

But yeah, bu so that's going to air tonight.

We start this Sunday with a whole new lineup of English drama.

So people have been waiting for this 8:00.

It's the BBC classic.

What's wrong wit what's wrong with those people?

Why?

Why?

They're the murdering committed.

And it's not for the weak.

They like the gritty murders with a lot of twists, but it doesn't seem as gritty with the British accent.

I know right?

But it's such rare I want to push back on you.

I'm curious, because the televised version of all the people I've met, with that accent, are charming, and there's a sophistication.

And Shane talks like that.

And every time Shane our producer, opens his mouth, an angel dies.

You watch Kathy.

Why?

Why, what's wrong with him?

He he's just he's a good guy, and he can he can cover the evil that.

Yes, he can.

That's what it is.

Back to the back, the programing.

So you.

So this Sunday, so this Sunday, 8:00 starts.

Patience.

Season two.

So many people are waiting for it.

Patience.

Yes.

Is a young girl.

She's autistic.

So her mother left her when she was young because she couldn't take it.

So her dad raised her.

And, kind of taught her the stuff about murderers and, you know, being being investigator, confessing.

So she works in the back room by herself.

And, you know, this program?

No, is so great.

It's so she's like a young girl in her 20s, and she helps them, really.

And she she picks up all the little stuff.

Yes.

Yeah.

S she becomes a part of the team.

Well, we have a new inspector in charge who doesn't get her, who is no understanding when you forget.

Yeah.

So we're going to have to deal with that.

But she's going to push through because she knows that she's valuable.

So patient.

Season two at 8:00.

Grantchester at 9:00.

We have season 11 1111 is the last season they're going to wrap it up.

They have so many storyline that they really have to kill.

So yeah, not so much.

There's little city of Grantchester, there's so many murders.

It's just amazing.

Daniel Tiger just murders them all.

I just don't get a bit of him.

But, You would think the claw marks for you.

But there's a red sweater.

Here I go for a little giveaways.

I don't know why Manchester has a unique thing about it.

In the city, Grantchester, you have your inspector, who is Geordie, and he always has the vicar help him with the murders, who seems to always.

That's three vicars.

If it's not Daniel Tiger, it's the vicar, right?

Yeah, well, the vicar usually helps figure it out, and they're usually right.

So it's kind of craz that people have fallen in love with it.

It's more of a cutesy mystery.

I mean, they're not twisted or anything like that.

Yeah, but, but it's been lovely.

Particularly tonight in the studio.

We have a screene for the first episode.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, we start at seven.

You're welcome.

It's free.

It's great.

We have coffee and cookies and chips, and we all sit and we can.

We pull the big screen down and we all set at about 80 people signed up for tonight So I'm very excited.

That'll be.

Yeah I'm very excited.

So we do screeners once in a while and we have one coming up in September and October as well.

Downton Abbey 10:00.

We're going into season two.

I've seen Downton Abbey all the seasons, all the episode three times in a million times.

And then I watched these old ones go, I don't remember those storylines.

It's been a long time.

So I did bring that out for reliving it.

Yeah, we actually have a new Toledo stories alert.

We have a brand new Toledo stories on the 25th of this month in June at 8:00, the Erie Office on Aging.

Oh, great.

What a wonderful place.

Yeah, we've had Justin Moore on the show.

I know he's like, I know him.

He's a wonderful person.

I worked with them and we had, senior hunger that we did a big initiative that we did.

I did their town halls and it was so great.

They were so fantastic to work for.

So it it's a show about just it's about what they do history and what they do and what they're doing in the future and basically in 30 minutes.

But I'm fascinated to know how long does it take to put together a Toledo Stories, because there's been so many great ones over the years.

Yeah.

And so I'm glad that you said that.

Then thank you.

Thank you.

We really try to do Twitter history, but it takes longer than you think.

I would say at least six months, 6 to 8 months, because you have pretty much 1 or 2 producers.

And we do everything we do all the research with the with the interview or the beginning talks about how they want it to look, the story that they want to tell, and then the interviews and then the footage of, what, three hours of footage for maybe an hour, half hour show.

It's not.

So it's a deep dive.

Yeah.

So yeah, they're also compelling too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's an area office on aging the way that they're fighting ageism and they're just really so committed to making it better for our and some good building just down the street from where we are today.

And that's such a that's such an iconic old building.

It's so beautiful.

So I think that, we worke from the Metroparks perspective.

I, we didn't know I didn't know you from my first.

Yeah.

Well, I did say, okay, I was going to say that Kathy is spot on.

It does take about six months to a year, depending on the breadth of the story and I think there's somewhere between 20 or 30 hours of film.

Wow.

That and I still take the Metro, to like some of the senior centers and stuff and show them for history and stuff.

And they love, yeah.

You know, we have the City Metroparks, Wildwood, you know, and oak openings.

So anyway, so they still have longevity is what I'm trying to say.

Yes, ma'am So that's June 25th.

June 25th.

So then we go to July 3rd, which is a Friday capital fourth, PBS standard 150th anniversary of the cage match be part of that show?

Nope, nope.

We want to do that.

All right.

So yeah, this is all celebration with with the Army band and the Navy Band and stars and it's hosted.

It's a beautiful live event.

It'll immediately repeat at 930 July 4th.

We have a brand new special from PBS.

It's American made in Virginia 250 years together.

So that I'm going to immediately repeat that.

I do shows all day on July 4th afternoon.

So I've got some really fun stuff during the day, some actually some fun cooking shows at cook in the time, along with the Ken Burns Show and stuff like that.

Statue of Liberty.

So I did that all da leading up to this show at 8:00 nice Tuesdays and Wednesdays and some Fridays in July.

PBS loves to celebrate space.

Yes.

So there's two new series and some old serie that they put in.

Great stuff.

Just really great stuff.

If you love space, that's a good place to be.

Where is your alien content?

Yeah, that would be your novas.

Oh, so.

But not you.

Yeah.

And yeah, so Nova likes to tackle that kind of stuff.

That's right.

And sometimes Wednesdays at ten they get into a little.

Okay with that.

Right.

So we got beer there.

So then So then we move to Wednesdays.

Oh this is a good going to love this.

The latter part of July which starts the 15th Wednesdays at 10:00 and it goes into August.

Bugs that rule a four part series.

Cool.

Yeah.

To learn more about that.

Repeating it It's a four part series.

Yeah.

And it's just about the species of the bug world.

So they'll talk about beetles for one and spiders the next.

It talks about their hierarchy.

I mean, some of the titles are, are are just like eat or be eaten.

Yeah.

You know, it' a little it's a little violent.

So you might have to prepare yourself.

But yeah, we created this content, the bug series.

Actually I don't know who PBS work with.

It's from PBS.

That's amazing.

But you usually start with your scientists that are bug you know, bug crazy bug people that stud these bugs for their whole like, crazy bug people we used to work with us.

Photography is amazing.

It's amazing what they can get.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

And you have little bugs fighting for dominance and stuff Yeah, that's how the show crazy.

Yeah, we we used to watc an animal program on growing up is either during dinner or just after.

We loved it.

And the insect portions of these are fascinates to your point.

Insect apocalypse is another.

It's the first one where it starts off, but that's that's episode one.

That's a four part episode.

But let me ask you a question.

As a surprise guest, if you could rule over any insect kingdom which one would it be?

Bees.

Tell me about why I love you.

Make them work harder.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

You look good in black and white.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Yellow?

Yeah.

Yellow.

I think you know bees.

We gotta love the bees.

It's important.

Honey?

Yeah.

That's right.

It's black and yellow.

Know, but not the way I see it.

I actually think I have a wasp nest in my house.

Oh, no, that's not good.

Where is the first documentary that the British.

It's a little story, right?

Tell the story of a murder.

At the end, there will be a murder.

They're trying to get the cast of Bridgerton to come in and get wasps out of the house.

Yeah, that's undergra Chester team over there.

Yeah.

That lady is, covering us with honey.

Yeah, it's really weird.

It's a Toledo story, but it's going to take more than six months to film.

Yeah, yeah.

Six minutes.

What is your least favorit insect at least favorite insect?

Like you don't want to be around it.

You just have to, I think that there.

Sorry.

I guess you asked me.

I'd like to just answer, the, silverfish.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, those are actually good.

Those are, like, good for your house.

Yeah.

Don't make me feel bad.

I sort of know where in there, like.

Yeah, I have a rule of three with bugs.

If you see one, you take you know, down, down the hatch.

Two, two is, you know, a red flag.

If you see three of anything in your house and it's, you know, oh, yeah, we're better off, but I will save.

I'll save anything.

Spider.

You save them?

Yeah.

You know, I mean, you know, don't want to just crush a bug.

But if there's three in their spirit, you know, and across their spirit.

So you just yell profanity?

Yeah, I'll yell at them.

Yeah, I swear you made it from metaphors.

You're not stone taffy, please.

Okay.

Sorry.

No, no, no.

So we have a new series.

I don't know if you know who Miles O'Brien is.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh.

You do?

Yeah.

He used to be on CNN for a long time, and then I turn into a space expert.

A space expert.

I know he does a lo of our space shows now as well, but he's going to do a series.

He's big on climate change and stuff, too.

The myth.

Nothing.

Keeping the myth.

The man.

Yes.

The myth, the man, the mystery.

He's going to have a series.

It's called Resolve to Solve, and he's going to talk to scientists and people who are tackling these urgent global issues.

Yeah.

So he's going to have a series about that.

He's very, very good.

He's very good.

We have about 30s.

Okay.

I didn't address briefly the, the BGU announcement we had a couple weeks ago.

How is all of this programing going to be affected by Wji.

Why can't I say tha BGU and I know it's a game, it's hard to say.

But what's happening is, is that they will see my I want to say my but so they will have all their PBS programing.

Great.

So Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Thursdays and Saturdays they'll see our local content that we program on our own, which is great different than what BGR used to do.

Okay, so I'm aware of BGU schedule and I don't mind making some changes here.

Now, I do want to pull in their local programing for our local Thursday night.

I do want to do a win and yeah, it's a win win.

They have scenic stops, they have a ketchup show I think, and they've got some other things for the like the black smile that I want to do.

So I need to talk to them.

I want to pull that programing in and I will mix it in with our stuff.

We've got about 30 left is a great crowd for what you said you got about 30s lef is can be difficult to do this.

So pour over that list an tell me if you had to pick one.

Tell our audience with a can't miss item on that list and your perspective is, I know they're all great.

Yes, but you got to pick one.

You got to pick a favorite kid here.

Oh my gosh, that's right.

Well, I had to pick the area office on aging being a new Toledo story.

Yeah, the wonderful stuff that they do.

I know Billy Johnson I used to work with.

He's fabulous.

Oh she's a oh, magnificent woman.

I know her daughter Rhonda really, really well.

She's awesome.

Justin Moore's amazing.

Rebecc there, and I have to pick that.

It's going to be so great.

I don't need to talk to them.

All right.

Thank you.

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We're going to get some emails about that.

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John, thank you for coming on.

Let's finish strong here.

Mention a couple things that were not on your list that people cannot miss.

So there I know there are two, or at least two Juneteenth celebrations.

There's one at the Museum of Art.

How they do it right every year.

And then there's on at the Glass City Metro Parks.

And there's is a focus on the past, present and the future.

And, you know, I think if you look those up and you find out the details, they're both, going to be really great events.

They'll also be a Juneteenth parade and some other activities.

But all of that will be on toledo.com.

If you missed any part of the show.

We had a great line u as I hope you found to be true of almost every show we had.

Both Ryan and Cassie from the Village Players, they'll be performing, The Wedding Singer, at a grea theater in Upton, celebrating, myriad of things.

But one of the most important things to be celebrating is our community and community theater.

We also had Paul List from The Sandpiper.

Great to have you on, John.

You did a great job but you can hear how authentic you are and a real curator of all th great things of the city, as is.

Kathy, if you want to check this out, YouTube channel 7 a.m.

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